00:02:43 <11Odds> Spurred on by https://github.com/crawl/crawl/issues/5269, I was thinking I might have a crack at having gods entirely forbid equipment they dislike (asking you to remove it at regular altars, and force-removing it after faded altars). 00:08:21 <04dracoomega> Certainly I approve of the principle (as I've said before) 00:20:25 <06pleasingfungus> seems good 00:20:49 <06pleasingfungus> pretty close to how it behaves now, as is evidenced by the number of times that piety penalties for gear were spectacularly broken without anyone noticing 00:22:33 <11Odds> Yeah, I have heard people occasionally say that they take the penance hit from gear on purpose sometimes, but I think it's a pretty tiny thing 00:30:41 <04dracoomega> Also: it seems like rather a flavor loss if it's actually often worth just sucking up piety costs to, say, rampage on Chei (as many people report doing) 00:30:46 <11Odds> @dracoomega - am I reading it right that Okawaru's piety changes reduce the gifting rate quite a lot? The stepdown that used to be a consequence of the gifting is now replaced by one before the gifting, I think? 00:36:23 <04dracoomega> I am going to scream if I spent that long nudging those numbers back and forth and running a lot of simulations and then somehow didn't adjust the gifting chance/timeout in compensation. Though this appears to be the case, you are correct. Trog and Sif got specific tweaks, but Oka did not. 00:37:28 <11Odds> (I noticed this because my ongoing game didn't seem to have a lot of ammo, though that's pretty weak evidence that it's impactful 🙂 ) 00:54:45 <04dracoomega> There's a fair bit of variance anyway (especially since some gifts are effectively useless. '1 boomerang' or 'some darts you'll never be in a position to use'. ....I wonder how strong the effect is. 00:57:23 <04dracoomega> I think it may be smaller than the degree to which raw piety decay is decreased, since you do gain piety while on gift timeout faster than you previously would have and gift rate is strongly influenced by current piety 00:57:56 <04dracoomega> But I'm really not sure how the math works out at the moment 00:58:29 <04dracoomega> ('Change Oka throwing gifts' was always on the longer-term docket as part of general throwing revamps, but that wasn't somethig I expected to work on this version, realistically) 01:02:41 <11Odds> Yeah, this one is hard to do with theory because of the timeout and the variety in gain based on piety 03:34:39 Experimental (bcrawl) branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.23-a0-5261-gd9800d219b 05:35:31 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.35-a0-449-g293c6a0 (34) 15:42:31 Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.35-a0-449-g293c6a0512 (34) 23:46:41 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.35-a0-449-g293c6a0512