03:08:55 <02Monkooky> it's otherwise unjustifiable, but it would be fun flavourwise for oka's gifts to show up when you won a duel 03:34:34 Experimental (bcrawl) branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.23-a0-5261-gd9800d219b 08:27:18 bad idea: tamborine ability replaces disjunction, same mp cost; tamborine is now attraction, attraction pots are ??? 08:28:37 lesser beckoning not having a greater beckoning is funny so there can't be a greater beckoning spell 09:43:28 <08nicolae> the tambourine ability used to be a spell already, it got removed for being Mega Powerful, and then readded in a tweaked form as the tambourine, it's probably not going to be a spell again 09:52:59 manifold assault boosted to level 7, gravitas is capstone! 11:58:20 <09gammafunk> I think the tambouring ability was never precisely the same spell 11:58:47 <09gammafunk> I think the effect got reworked quite a lot so that it only vaguely resembled the old gell's spell 11:59:00 <09gammafunk> unless I'm mistaken, which has never happened before 12:14:08 <08nicolae> i was referring to singularity 15:34:22 <02Monkooky> Do felids of okawaru get throwing gifts? If no, does this mean they effectively have doubleish piety gain above 5*? 15:43:56 <04dracoomega> I... hadn't thought about that, but you're right. Felids don't get gifts which means they don't get the piety penalty. 15:44:26 <04dracoomega> (For Trog either, which is probably more relevant than the Oka behavior) 16:12:28 <02Darby> I guess that's payback for not getting the acquirement either 16:35:56 <04dracoomega> Yes, there's some argument that it's compensation for not getting other aspects of the god (though in Trog's case, I think most people would rather a lot more and better BiA than the weapon gifts in the first place) 16:52:01 <02Darby> I suppose this too is part of why FeBe is a rather less than theoretical combo to opine about at this point 18:07:01 <02Monkooky> I kind of feel like this 'considerably increased piety to spend on abilities lategame' is not that much of a problem, and at a minimum is an improvement over the current situation- and in particular I'd argue against a stepdown that mimics the current dropoff in piety gain, because knowing how it works I think it's bad. Having this sharp dropoff in piety gain does not limit my ability to spam finesse. It limits my ability to store 18:07:01 many charges of finesse, it limits my ability to spam finesse while receiving god gifts, it limits my ability to spam finesse while keeping duel available, and it increases the effective cost of duel. 18:09:15 <02Monkooky> For characters who care about throwables, this probably is a real limitation and will make you use your finesses as if you were operating with the dramatically lower 5* piety rate. For characters who do not, I think it will often be correct to spend piety as if you still had the 4* rate, and make no particular effort to stay above 5*. 18:16:06 <09hellmonk> don't think it's great to have even more ability spam at endgame but maybe can address on the cost side instead? 18:46:38 <02Monkooky> I guess my point is that right now, you can have this much endgame ability spam, with the tradeoff of duel/throwables not being available I don't think this tradeoff is one we want to offer 20:23:32 03WizardIke02 07* 0.35-a0-292-ga3715956db: Fix info leaks from feature tile overrides (CrawlOdds) 10(6 days ago, 27 files, 282+ 79-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a3715956db52 20:27:03 amazing commit message 20:53:48 03CrawlOdds02 {WizardIke} 07* 0.35-a0-293-ga3442ab723: Fix hurling and don't apply infusion to throwing 10(4 days ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a3442ab72342 22:35:52 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.35-a0-293-ga3442ab723 (34) 22:59:47 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.35-a0-293-ga3442ab723 23:34:16 Unstable branch on cbro.berotato.org updated to: 0.35-a0-293-ga3442ab723 (34) 23:56:12 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.35-a0-293-ga3442ab723