00:45:15 <Gretell> Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.35-a0-53-g511dc2e70d
02:55:03 <Discord|> <12g​e0ff> !crash Vasmohzif
02:55:06 <Discord|> <04C​erebot> 4. Vasmohzif, XL27 DjWn, T:68786 (milestone): https://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/Vasmohzif/crash-Vasmohzif-20260218-040824.txt
02:55:17 <Discord|> <12g​e0ff> !crash achylon
02:55:19 <Discord|> <04C​erebot> 3. achylon, XL23 DjAr, T:44269 (milestone): https://underhound.eu/crawl/morgue/achylon/crash-achylon-20260217-115650.txt
02:57:12 <Discord|> <12g​e0ff> ^--- two Djs with summon spells. Before the crash, one used  Summon Horrible Things and the other cast Paragon. In both cases, there were monsters interlaced with chaos nearby
02:59:23 <Discord|> <12g​e0ff> and when these chaos-laced enemies poof (?), the game crashes with invalid monster_type 1000 (1000)
04:35:07 <Lantell> Experimental (bcrawl) branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.23-a0-5261-gd9800d219b
09:01:21 <Discord|> <04d​racoomega> Yeah, I'd already actually noted that crash and its cause. I've just been a bit delayed to getting around to fixing a handful of things.
09:03:00 <Discord|> <04d​racoomega> (The immediate cause is trying to check the resists of a dead monster, so that it can roll the chaos brand. Even if it will generally choose not to actually hit them with it anyway, since they're dead.)
09:08:04 <Discord|> <04d​racoomega> (I once more wonder how many issues over the years would have been avoided if we just didn't clean up monsters mid-action. Or, I guess, in this case if we just didn't assert on checking various properties of a dead monster. It can just resist nothing, surely?)
09:09:55 <Discord|> <12g​e0ff> this sounds like yet another epic refactor
09:10:15 <Discord|> <04d​racoomega> Not any time soon, I'm afraid, but it would be nice
09:12:15 <geekosaur> flip side we had a crash recently where knockback wanted to identify the now-dead (and cleaned up already iirc) monster that had caused it
09:12:51 <Discord|> <04d​racoomega> Yeah, it's a constantly recurring category of bug
19:01:20 <Pinkbeast> Hey, can ravens have their old dat/descript/quotes.txt entry back?
19:07:54 <darwin> i'd just like all old races/classes back, even if the game has to make a very clear option/question/prompt at beginning it won't be scored because the developers don't think the old ones are interesting
19:08:23 <Pinkbeast> That seems like a more ambitious proposal
19:08:25 <darwin> but that's not my main issue, which is fixing/updating the SlackBuild for Slackware(-based) OS
19:08:51 <darwin> it might even be an option you just have to set, maybe at compile time.  They're not truly removed
19:09:29 <darwin> or were they in the Stoat Soup and other forks?
19:10:25 <Pinkbeast> We do have some removed species (old MD, HE, SE come to mind and also more that have been removed by vanilla later)
19:15:06 <geekosaur> didn't bloatcrawl keep them?
19:15:12 <geekosaur> ??bloatcrawl
19:15:13 <Mnoleg> bloatcrawl[1/2]: https://github.com/WORLD-CRAWL-ASSOCIATION/bloatcrawl meme fork by hellmonk, with the idea of "add every species/background suggested by tavern"
19:15:20 <geekosaur> oh, no, wrong one
19:16:23 <geekosaur> ?/removed species
19:16:24 <Mnoleg> No matches.
19:17:44 <geekosaur> I'd poke in dm but mnoleg doesn't seem to support it currently
19:18:52 <geekosaur> also, the big problem with keeping removed species in a hidden form is all the code to support their special attributes has to be kept up to date regardless
19:19:33 <geekosaur> which could be tricky with e.g. vampires' stuff being redone as talisman forms
19:21:51 <geekosaur> it's bad enough with removed monsters: I once resumed a then-promising ancient game and it was pretty much a graveyard: lots of 0xp "ghosts" running around
19:22:08 <Pinkbeast> Let alone them being dependent on the supply of blood from corpses :-)
19:22:43 <geekosaur> that too ☺
19:24:04 <Discord|> <08o​____0> Could make a patch(for your fork) somewhat easily for the species that are simply disabled or recreate species that are only apts
19:25:18 <geekosaur> ?/fork
19:25:18 <Mnoleg> Matching terms (6): crawl_forks, dcss_fork, dcss_forks, forked_whip, forks, kimchi_fork; entries (22): bcadrencrawl[1] | bearkin[5] | bhaak[3] | bloatcrawl[1] | crawl_alternative[1] | crawl_forks[1] | crawl_light[1] | custom_sounds[2] | dcss_fork[1] | dcssca[1] | dcssca[4] | dungeon_crawl_souper_turbo[1] | eronarn[4] | forks[1] | hellcrawl[1] | imp_species[3] | kimchi_crawl[1] | lava_orc[2] | lich...
19:25:20 <Discord|> <08o​____0> I wonder if maybe an alternate gamemode with "make your own species" would be ok? You'd just set whatever apts and mutations you wanted and let people play with it haha
19:25:35 <Pinkbeast> We did (also I'll send you a PR for the old raven quote if I remember tomorrow)
19:25:51 <geekosaur> ??crawl_forks
19:25:51 <Mnoleg> dcss forks[1/1]: From (approximately) most to least recently updated: {dcst} {bcrawl} {bcadrencrawl} {stoat soup} {kimchi} {gooncrawl} {quickcrawl} {bloatcrawl2} {x-crawl} {hellcrawl} {bloatcrawl} {yiufcrawl} {gnollcrawl} {oofcrawl} {dcss-ca} {ehe} {crawl light}
19:26:36 <Discord|> <08o​____0> 😌 What's the raven quote? I'm assuming it's from a famous poem?
19:26:38 <geekosaur> ??bloatcrawl2
19:26:39 <Mnoleg> bloatcrawl2 ~ bloatcrawl[1/2]: https://github.com/WORLD-CRAWL-ASSOCIATION/bloatcrawl meme fork by hellmonk, with the idea of "add every species/background suggested by tavern"
19:26:55 <geekosaur> ??bloatcrawl2[2
19:26:55 <Mnoleg> bloatcrawl2 ~ bloatcrawl[2/2]: Bloatcrawl 2: https://github.com/hellmonk/bloatcrawl2
19:28:04 <geekosaur> ??crawl alternative
19:28:04 <Mnoleg> crawl alternative[1/4]: A very old (pre-Stone-Soup) and apparently abandoned fork of Crawl: http://www.interq.or.jp/libra/oohara/crawl-alternative/ or https://github.com/crawl/crawl-ancient/tree/alternative
19:28:20 <Pinkbeast> “The Hatter opened his eyes very wide on hearing this; but all he said was ‘Why is a raven like a writing-desk?’” -Lewis Carroll, Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland
19:28:25 <Pinkbeast> Poe would be too obvious
19:28:34 <Discord|> <08o​____0> heh
19:28:42 <geekosaur> meh. can't remember it. there was at some point a fork that intended to retain every removed species
19:28:51 <Pinkbeast> (although one of the better answers to that one is "Because Poe wrote on both")
19:40:46 <Pinkbeast> geekosaur: Yiuf's Home for Lost and Forgotten Species / https://github.com/yrmvgh/yiufcrawl ?
19:42:04 <geekosaur> hah! yes, that's it
19:42:57 <johnny0> ??nostalgia
19:42:57 <Mnoleg> nostalgia[1/4]: This is the basis for 0.15, a new direction for DCSS that will bring back Fun. See https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/nostalgia/crawl-ref/docs/changelog.txt
19:44:11 <Discord|> <12e​bering> Best nostalgia feature was speed 12 hydras
19:44:19 <Pinkbeast> Speed 15, even!
19:45:06 <Discord|> <12e​bering> Oh ya lol
19:48:24 <geekosaur> if you really want nostalgia, try 4.0b26 😛
21:30:42 <Discord|> <09g​ammafunk> of all the work I put into nostalgia
21:30:49 <Discord|> <09g​ammafunk> speed 15 hydras is the only thing people remember
21:31:01 <Discord|> <09g​ammafunk> actually I think wheals might have made that commit when I told him about it
21:31:13 <Discord|> <09g​ammafunk> it was like actually only in 4.1a
21:31:19 <Discord|> <09g​ammafunk> but I mistakenly thought it was in a release linley crawl version
21:34:27 <Discord|> <09h​ellmonk> newnostalgia could make speed 15 slymdras
21:34:29 <Discord|> <09h​ellmonk> now that would be peak
22:00:00 <Discord|> <12e​bering> retconstalgia
22:00:17 <Discord|> <12e​bering> Crimson imps are back but they have Maurice af
22:00:48 <Discord|> <12e​bering> If you leave Los of part of a yak pack another yak gets added
22:01:44 <Discord|> <12e​bering> Fungus level feeling with a mycelial network that spores travel along when you’re near a ballisto
22:02:03 <Discord|> <12e​bering> (Except we fake it by dropping spores just beyond Los so they attack asap)
22:02:29 <Discord|> <12e​bering> Every gnoll on d2 has a halberd
22:02:44 <Discord|> <12e​bering> Negative meleebug
22:56:51 <Discord|> <09h​ellmonk> magicbug where all spells do half damage