03:34:35 Experimental (bcrawl) branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.23-a0-5208-geafff8c3b6 06:16:25 <02Monkooky> @implojin are you handling the placeholder tile or should I commit something 06:16:58 <03implojin> you can commit it if you want 06:18:24 <03implojin> i think what i'm going to do here is cherry pick everything from 6e9cbb6 on down, then apply any cleanup in a following commit 06:19:16 <03implojin> i can see there are two merge conflicts; you can handle those yourself if you want, or i'll do it after 06:19:19 <03implojin> either way is fine 06:20:23 <03implojin> still undecided on naming 06:20:31 <03implojin> / theming 06:20:59 <03implojin> DO didn't like anything related to crystals due to player association with LRD, i'm inclined to agree with that 06:21:51 <02Monkooky> yeah 06:23:36 03nlavsky02 07* 0.33-a0-276-g41421e2eb3: text: tweak a few more descriptions 10(2 minutes ago, 2 files, 11+ 11-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/41421e2eb3a1 06:25:24 <03implojin> kinda like thaumium 06:25:29 <02Monkooky> I feel like the thematics should directly reference the spellcastery nature 06:25:46 <02Monkooky> thaumium works pretty well 06:26:43 <02Monkooky> man the evaporate tile really does look goofy and dated 06:27:56 03Monkooky02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/3276 * 0.32-a0-717-g686c4e32fa: add placeholder tile 10(34 seconds ago, 3 files, 2+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/686c4e32fa19 06:38:10 <02Monkooky> I think I'm gonna leave the merging to you or when I wake up 06:38:44 <02Monkooky> it's nontrivial in my current state 06:38:46 <03implojin> sure no worries 06:39:07 <02Monkooky> thanks! 08:15:53 It took the most boring and overpowered build I could come with plus insane amounts of luck but we made it 08:15:54 https://ctxt.io/2/AAB4VnkKEg 08:22:55 I completed the pok�dex with that one new holy monster 08:49:08 03guillaume02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/4101 * 0.33-a0-277-g7662d71907: Correctly pass the monster's old coord 10(13 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/7662d7190782 08:55:41 <04dracoomega> (I still personally liked a form name that involved 'mind' or something similar in some capacity, due to the talisman's direct connection with int. I feel like response to that was sort of unenthusiastic last time we talked it over, though, although I'm not sure why.) 08:56:41 <03implojin> sort of leaning towards calling it thaumium talisman with the form descriptor being something in the vein of > Your body becomes wreathed in octarine light, making spellcasting easier, and enhancing the power of your melee attacks for a mana cost. 08:57:21 I thought it made spellcasting harder or did that change somewhere along the way 08:58:04 <03implojin> oh, yeah, that's backwards 08:58:06 <03implojin> rip 09:01:15 what's the crawl equivalent of magitek/hextech/techmaturgy 09:02:05 Maxwell's Talisman 09:02:14 <06pleasingfungus> too many maxwells!!!! 09:02:23 <06pleasingfungus> we need to reduce maxwelling 09:02:23 true 09:02:35 and that one spell name is just too long 09:03:10 it is so long that the type (Air) seems like part of the name to make it even longer 09:05:20 03guillaume02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/4101 * 0.33-a0-278-gf7d874b81d: Make it so bound monsters can't flank or swoop 10(47 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f7d874b81d1e 09:10:16 Talisman of the Skald 09:12:28 <04dracoomega> It is a distinct possibility that what I was planning to try doing to piledriver after I'm done with Forgecraft will result in 1 fewer Maxwell, for what it's worth 😛 09:13:00 what is a forgecraft 09:14:03 <06pleasingfungus> popular minecraft mod 09:14:28 It sounded like a new spell. now I am sadge 09:14:58 <04dracoomega> It's a new spell school 09:15:19 <04dracoomega> And will be landing with many new spells, once it's ready 09:16:49 <04dracoomega> I've got the core functionality of a decent number of them already working. Just need to finish a handful more, and then another polish/balance pass over them. 09:18:57 <04dracoomega> (I've got plans for a few more spells than I am planning to have done for the initial push. There needs to be enough for a reasonable path from level 1 to 9, but it doesn't require literally everything I'd like to give it, before it will be testable) 09:19:24 <04dracoomega> So there will probably be a few more arriving sometime later (after new species, probably) 09:20:29 mhmmm yes delicious new content 09:22:31 I has a real quesiton 09:22:33 Why is Neo-Beogh considered an "evil" god? 09:23:09 And how did I even write that in bold 09:24:05 <04dracoomega> Because 'evil' in Crawl is effectively defined by 'disliked by TSO, Zin, and Ely' 09:24:53 <04dracoomega> There's a lot of neutral gods that are textually extremely bloodthirsty and fond of destruction for destruction's sake. 09:25:30 I see but is there a specific reason why Beogh is on the trinity's hit list? Gemplegh or otherwise? 09:26:27 because new-Beogh is about outcasts 09:26:42 they're kind of by definition not fitting the "good gods"' sense of order 09:27:12 <04dracoomega> Well, Beogh worshippers one encounters naturally (ie: monster orcs) still summon demons and use necromancy. There's been textual conflict between Zin and orcs (see Menna's description, which while updated for new Beogh flavor, always talked about trying to forcibly convert orcs away from Beogh), and Zin certainly disapproves of the orcification. I liked the idea that Beogh seemed debatably good, but still debatably bad in some ways. 09:27:12 It was an ideological conflict. 09:27:37 <04dracoomega> Also: one can be a pariah for bad reasons 09:27:43 <04dracoomega> Certainly many orcs once were, textually. 09:27:51 I just kinda blanked that becoming an orc is literally a form of mutaiton 09:29:09 btw the reason I let god's like Trog off the hook is that I excused it as the embodiment of the primordial emotion of anger and is thus neither inherently good nor inherently evil 09:29:39 <04dracoomega> I mean, one can argue that, sure 09:29:47 <04dracoomega> (What about Vehumet, though? :P) 09:29:52 <04dracoomega> "Let it all end in hellfire" and all that 09:30:02 I got nothing 09:30:10 Veh is just kinda messed up 09:30:24 they have pyromania or somehting 09:30:58 <04dracoomega> Really, I think it's fine if we assume that the good gods have their own not-infalliable criteria for this. The fact that a god like Beogh points out that maybe there's hypocrisy in all this is actually textually appropriate to Beogh themselves, I felt 09:34:18 Btw I dislike the pseudo-philosophical (or pseudo-humorous) essay at the end of the "Evil" crawl wiki page 09:35:08 <04dracoomega> I mean, none of us wrote that (probably) 09:35:34 <03implojin> yeah the crawl wiki is a community thing, we don't even host it 09:35:44 CommanderC in the initial revision, not that I see the problem 09:36:13 I kinda figured 09:36:15 my headcanon is that the so-called "good gods" are and always have been a clique, and Beogh (even old Beogh to some extent) calls them out for it. and they're predictably pissed about it 09:37:02 <04dracoomega> Yeah, that feels like it fits to me 09:38:11 <08nicolae> Minwell 09:39:44 Can Beoghism by definiton not be a majority religion? Because then they would be outcasts no longer 09:40:06 I don't suppose, please, anyone remembers _why_ NO_ARTIFICE and Pakellas wrath exempted decks? 09:40:09 <04dracoomega> I feel like this is a theological debate that they're a long, long way away from having to worry about 09:40:20 *excluded, curses fingers 09:40:42 <04dracoomega> Well, Nem decks used to be an evo thing 09:41:04 <04dracoomega> And maybe it was felt that making that specific god swap non-functional was bad? 09:41:13 <04dracoomega> (I wasn't around at the time, so I'm just guessing) 09:41:15 Yes - so I would expect NO_ARTIFICE and Pakellas wrath to disallow them, but there's a whole bunch of !is_deck(item) 09:42:01 Are Coglins alchemy golems in disguise 09:42:05 or whatever the original draft was called 09:42:22 (sometimes in places I'm not sure you could even _get_ with a deck). Kate wrote some of that stuff, mibbe I'll ask her 09:46:07 <04dracoomega> Not even slightly, I'm pretty sure 09:47:07 pokedragonboy (L19 MDFi) Crash caused by signal #11: Segmentation fault (Elf:2) 09:48:01 !crashlog pokedragonboy 09:48:02 1. pokedragonboy, XL18 MiFi, T:41596 (milestone): http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/pokedragonboy/crash-pokedragonboy-20161002-215700.txt 09:49:56 <08nicolae> the original draft of coglins was steel elves 09:50:10 uhhh, that's a cute one 09:50:11 <08nicolae> the "weapons have names" flavor is from that implementation 09:50:15 crash during save game 09:50:46 <04dracoomega> Yeah, that sounds terrifying, tbh 09:51:09 <04dracoomega> Oh, that's.... 0.19 09:51:17 <04dracoomega> Okay, don't need to worry about it 09:51:26 hah 09:52:28 <04dracoomega> !crashlog pokedragonboy 09:52:29 <03implojin> it may have been indirectly because pakellas didn't gift decks so wrath applying to them wouldn't have been fair, f82aaed974 was the earliest instance of a pak-related deck check that i could find in the history 09:52:29 <04Cerebot> 2. pokedragonboy, XL19 MDFi, T:37016 (milestone): https://cbro.berotato.org/morgue/pokedragonboy/crash-pokedragonboy-20241024-164700.txt 09:52:47 <04dracoomega> Oh 09:52:48 <04dracoomega> I never actually fixed that one 09:54:03 <04dracoomega> (I recall there was a PR for it, but I kind of wanted to look into whether there was a reasonable way to preserve the knockback direction even if the pusher is dead by that point) 09:54:15 <04dracoomega> Since it sounded theoretically plausible 09:55:02 <04dracoomega> Maybe it's not likely enough to happen for that to matter, I guess, but that's why I didn't just merge it immediately (...and then I forgot to get to it >.>) 09:56:31 <04dracoomega> Making Celebrant use a fineff would be 'safest', but I actually liked the part where it can effectively 'intervene' in the middle of a series of attacks and possibly end it prematurely by killing the attacker. For something specifically triggering off you falling to low health, that felt like a relevant perk 09:59:44 ...today I found out that basilisk is not immune to petrify 09:59:56 well it kinda makes sense regarding the source material 13:15:22 <06wensley> laughs in catoblepas 13:16:02 <06wensley> Is there a design doc for forgecraft? 13:16:26 kuniqs (L16 TrFi) ASSERT(false) in 'god-companions.cc' at line 866 failed. (Snake:3) 13:18:28 <12ge0ff> ^--- it's from _get_saved_apostle: cpp // Should be impossible to reach here unless we did something wrong ASSERT(false); 13:21:37 <06pleasingfungus> classic 13:31:17 <04dracoomega> I did say 'should', not 'is', alas. (But the stack trace for that is sort of weird, as it seems to imply that an apostle is dying by an enchantment being removed, and I'm not sure how that is the case for something which isn't a summon) 13:51:41 holy pan diff aproximately tripled with the semi permanent mark + hp buff aura woah 13:56:29 seraphim still pushovers because they kill themselves with injury bond but it doesn't matter because rest of the level is reaching tomb levels of nonsense at record speed 14:13:42 03kate-02 07* 0.33-a0-277-g48f6307ce2: Clarify some Yredelmnul ability descriptions 10(7 hours ago, 2 files, 15+ 15-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/48f6307ce2fe 14:18:20 *excluded, curses fingers 14:24:31 Sorry, mispaste from before 14:28:49 03kate-02 07* 0.33-a0-278-gbacc2b0399: Adjust some more Yredelemnul messages 10(6 hours ago, 1 file, 5+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/bacc2b03993b 14:28:49 03kate-02 07* 0.33-a0-279-gd854694f7a: Remove a speech line 10(6 hours ago, 1 file, 0+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d854694f7a5f 14:34:14 manifold assault still didn't come back with that milk yet 14:41:47 is there some particular reason you're discussing player stuff in the dev channel? 14:42:06 yes 14:42:24 #crawl is a dead space 14:45:08 ??roguelikes discord 14:45:09 roguelikes discord[1/2]: The Reddit /r/roguelikes Discord server has a #dcss channel. You can join here: https://discord.gg/9uVbTYH 14:49:30 kate-: Do you happen to remember why decks were allowed to keep working under MUT_NO_ARTIFICE even though you couldn't join Nemelex with it (when Nemelex used Invo)? 14:50:38 (maybe - there are some if (!is_deck(item)) but I'm not sure you can _reach_ them, it's all rather confused 14:50:41 ) 14:55:54 <03semi_tonal> I have no idea, sorry! it does seem like the logical thing would have been for them not to be usable, assuming this was during the period where decks still existed as random drops outside of Nemelex worship? 15:06:09 Yes. 15:06:50 You did the Evo->Invo commit (which made me spot some oddball is_deck(item) which ofc made sense afterwards but not beforehand) and some previous ones in that line, so I asked. 15:07:11 But it goes more or less back to Ru being implemented. Thanks anyway 15:38:55 Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.33-a0-279-gd854694f7a (34) 17:33:03 03regret-index02 07* 0.33-a0-280-ge21b1ddef6: A variety of remixed extended tiles 10(14 hours ago, 37 files, 108+ 51-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e21b1ddef6cd 17:33:03 03regret-index02 07* 0.33-a0-281-g26535046ea: Place a missing midnight gem (#4097) 10(14 hours ago, 1 file, 16+ 18-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/26535046ea31 17:33:03 03regret-index02 07* 0.33-a0-282-gb0ae30da48: Adjust Xom polymorph checks (Mike) 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 5+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b0ae30da4871 17:33:03 03regret-index02 07* 0.33-a0-283-g6879795947: New Makhleb Mark invocation icons (Sastreii) 10(4 minutes ago, 9 files, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/687979594742 17:33:03 03regret-index02 07* 0.33-a0-284-g1108719ceb: Reorganize dc-wall.txt 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 1261+ 1230-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1108719ceb9b 20:05:12 New branch created: pull/4102 (4 commits) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/4102 20:05:15 03William S.02 {GitHub} 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/4102 * 0.33-a0-276-g9e8b018a22: Updated some tiles (pianoman523) Hi-scores tile and descent tile were out of date. 10(14 hours ago, 2 files, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/9e8b018a22e6 20:05:15 03William S.02 {GitHub} 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/4102 * 0.33-a0-281-ga0555047f7: Merge branch 'crawl:master' into master 10(4 hours ago, 0 files, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a0555047f775 20:05:15 03William S.02 {GitHub} 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/4102 * 0.33-a0-282-gcd9fd91345: Final pass on high_scores tile (pianoman523) Improved and embettered the tile 10(4 hours ago, 1 file, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/cd9fd91345ce 20:05:15 03William S.02 {GitHub} 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/4102 * 0.33-a0-288-gbf55e51a10: Merge branch 'crawl:master' into master 10(13 minutes ago, 0 files, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/bf55e51a10e9 22:35:17 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.33-a0-284-g1108719ceb (34) 22:59:06 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.33-a0-284-g1108719ceb 23:26:56 Unstable branch on cbro.berotato.org updated to: 0.33-a0-284-g1108719ceb (34) 23:55:17 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.33-a0-284-g1108719ceb