00:31:54 Fork (bcrawl) on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.23-a0-5140-g5775ae71e1 00:31:54 Fork (bcrawl) on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.23-a0-5140-g5775ae71e1 00:45:19 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.32-a0-818-gb728d0252e 04:30:44 Experimental (bcrawl) branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.23-a0-5140-g5775ae71e1 08:57:51 <12ebering> nullifying breath is non-targeted acording to the quiver 08:58:16 <12ebering> as is hurl torchlight 09:03:45 <06pleasingfungus> sounds buggy 09:04:30 <12ebering> ya, might be able to work on them today 09:04:37 <12ebering> this weekend presents itself with a bit of crawl time! 09:06:09 I found the time to get myself on a no-streak, hooray! # this is good because I mostly develop when I'm sulking 09:09:58 so people here need to castigate you a lot so you can develop more? :D 09:17:15 I'm not developing vanilla, castigate PF and ebering # please don't actually do that 09:23:52 you must be developing the strawberry or raspberry version? heh I normally would go about undue castigation thus no worries. 09:24:07 <06pleasingfungus> imo castigate… due and galehar? they won’t mind 09:24:10 s/would/would not/ 09:24:23 <06pleasingfungus> pinkbeast develops for a fork. 09:24:44 <06pleasingfungus> in an alternate universe, in which the dcss devteam had a very different philosophy… 09:24:55 <06pleasingfungus> unclear which devteam has the goatees. 09:25:39 <02Monkooky> why not both? 09:26:56 <06pleasingfungus> there’s a nonzero chance that i could merge a pr or two today. i can hope. 09:27:06 doesn't everyone want fancy moustaches instead? 09:27:52 <06pleasingfungus> you can’t always get what you want. 09:47:53 Well, 1/3 of us often has a goatee and 2/3 of us can't grow them, so... IDK what your goatee density is 09:49:20 <02Monkooky> it's at least 1.2, but that's just because I'm an outlier 09:50:00 very different philosophy> it's not too late to like mustelids! They're adorable. 10:17:30 <09gammafunk> ebering commits? legends of the distant past tell of these... 10:20:16 <06pleasingfungus> we need ebering to save us from the prs! 10:20:42 <09gammafunk> we're not that bad, are we? at least I recall it being worse in the past... 10:28:28 <09gammafunk> we are inching closer to 100 open 10:29:03 <06pleasingfungus> it’s the “worst” it’s been in a while 10:29:25 <06pleasingfungus> we were below 70 for most of 2023, i think? 10:43:12 ShinQuickMan (L17 HuCj) ASSERT(valid_cursor_pos(pos.x, pos.y, region)) in 'libutil.cc' at line 404 failed. (invalid cursor position -36,1 in region 2, should be 1,1 in region 3) (D:15) 10:53:15 so I take "in this case" higher numbers aren't better? 10:54:15 submissions aren't being reviewed and either accepted or rejected? 10:54:50 (note, I'm a player, not a dev, although I do triage online crashes) 10:59:41 <06pleasingfungus> geekosaur: yep, precisely 11:00:57 yeh, the question mark was more rhetorical 11:01:13 I do enough development for other projects that I know the drill 🙂 11:12:56 <06pleasingfungus> 🙂 11:29:40 <04dracoomega> I 'like' how the last 2 PRs I've tried to touch have involved me spending several entire days poking at in dissatisfaction >.>; 11:30:17 <04dracoomega> Clearly need to go for lower-hanging fruit sometimes 11:31:00 <06pleasingfungus> tentacles, gell’s… avoid the letters “l” and “e” 11:33:02 <06dolorous_84348> I've been looking at some of them, but they're either touching parts of the code I don't understand all that well, or they're incomplete even though they make progress, or they need commentary from at least one other developer before I'd feel comfortable putting them in. Also, I've been rather tired the past few days. 11:33:50 <06dolorous_84348> Or they affect gameplay enough that I'd have to be a better player to test them properly. 11:34:25 <06dolorous_84348> Or they're for a platform I can't test, since all I have is this Ubuntu machine to code on. 11:36:51 <06dolorous_84348> (If you want me to name specific ones, just ask.) 11:40:09 <06pleasingfungus> i’m curious about the ones that need dev commentary 🙂 11:40:13 <06pleasingfungus> tyvm for looking, btw! 11:44:51 <06dolorous_84348> No problem. The dev commentary ones are the ones involving the unrands. The Chalatan's Orb is interesting, but there's the possible overlap with the gadgeteer's gloves that I'm not certain how to handle. The Crown of Eternal Torment rework is somewhat interesting (probably more so others than to me, but I'm not much into torment as a concept, as I've said), but aside form pointing out a few coding nits with it, I'm not certain of 11:44:51 it. (I've noted that if you have the demonspawn torment resistance mutation, it stacks with that of the crown, but the former is uncommon enough that maybe that isn't that big an issue?) 11:49:52 <04dracoomega> I hadn't really taken a look at the crown one before, but I'm not convinced that 'randomly tormenting everything when you take damage', even with the semi-torment resistance to the user, is actually desirable. Like, partially from a power level standpoint, but also: is this even an interesting effect for the player to debate using if they're not undead. 11:51:16 <04dracoomega> Happens rarely enough you can't depend on it, I suspect is often of dubious benefit even when it happens? (The idea that it remains useful in extended simply for 1/2 torment damage seem extremely questionable to me since it can also torment you for no benefit at all?) 11:52:27 <04dracoomega> Consider that Kiku already offers 'invoke torment at the time of your choosing, with the player taking (on average) reduced damage from it' and this ability of theirs is very widely considered rarely worth using. Despite you getting to pick when it happens! 11:55:21 <04dracoomega> (I don't really have conceptual problems with Charlatan's Orb, though I'm not sure how appealing I'd find it at its current power level. Orbs are a hard sell. I'm not convinced it's a problem to have more than 1 unrand that is helping evocables. I have been somewhat intriqued at the suggestion to make gadgeteer's gloves give an extra evocable charge, though haven't looked closely at that yet, either) 11:58:43 <06dolorous_84348> Okay. Thanks for the feedback. So if I had to pick between the two, the orb would be the better option, since any adjustment it would need power-wise would probably not require a change of the entire concept behind it the way the crown would? 12:00:09 as a player I'd say so, since I'm not sure torment as a concept matters a whole lot 12:02:33 I mean, I'm a badplayer and it's still just a minor annoyance 12:03:40 <12ebering> maw form console gripe: its the same color and glyph as a spectral, which makes the player unnoticable in a sea of spectrals (which a maw form yredite generates in droves) 12:04:08 <06dolorous_84348> Good to know. (Also, if I were to apply it, I'd probably have to manually cherry-pick the updated commits out of it, since something about the melded history of the new and the old keeps GitHub's rebase option from working, and I don't want to squash and find out it screwed something up. I still haven't figured out how to rebase my own PRs without committing them via the GitHub interface; I can only seem to get it right via the 12:04:09 command line.) 12:04:35 <12ebering> I just do complicated history stuff with the command line 12:04:58 <04dracoomega> I did see a suggestion that maw form should be an X 12:05:13 <06dolorous_84348> Sounds good to me. 12:05:17 <04dracoomega> Of course, are all Xs nonliving? 12:05:26 <04dracoomega> (I have no strong opinions) 12:06:05 aren't large aboms living but twisted? 12:06:31 %??large abomination 12:06:31 Could not execute monster-trunk: No such file or directory 12:06:56 @??large abomination 12:06:56 large abomination (04X) | Spd: 10 | HD: 9 | HP: 42-58 | AC/EV: 11/5 | Dam: 40 | 07undead, evil, unbreathing | Res: 06will(100), 09poison+++, 12drown, 04miasma, 13neg+++, 08foul_flame, 13torm | Vul: 08holy, 11silver | XP: 562 | Sz: Large | Int: brainless. 12:07:02 nope 12:11:45 <12ebering> @??orb guardian 12:11:46 <04Cerebot> Orb Guardian (X) | Spd: 14 | HD: 15 | HP: 74-98 | AC/EV: 13/13 | Dam: 45 | doors, fighter, see invisible | Res: will(120) | XP: 1770 | Sz: Giant | Int: human. 12:11:53 <12ebering> these are living 12:13:38 <12ebering> oh, maw form is MONS_PUTRID_MOUTH 12:13:50 <12ebering> so in the end I have only myself to blame 12:13:52 <12ebering> ??glyphs 12:13:54 <04Cerebot> glyphs[1/3]: http://s-z.org/neil/tmp/crawl-glyphs-narrow.html — Generated with the script http://s-z.org/neil/tmp/crawl-glyphs 12:14:39 <12ebering> dang that's no longer up to date and the yaml change broke it maybe? 12:15:56 <12ebering> and it seems neil left? 12:16:17 "left"? 12:16:33 <12ebering> the discord. no it is my memory that put the | at the wrong side 12:17:00 <12ebering> @|amethyst crawl-glyphs has no licsence listed, would you mind adding it to source/util? 12:20:25 <12ebering> I think lightred and yellow are free on W 12:21:00 03Monkooky02 {dolorous} 07* 0.32-a0-819-g240068c231: Add unrand Charlatan's Orb 10(6 months ago, 6 files, 31+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/240068c2317b 12:21:00 03dolorous02 07* 0.32-a0-820-gf510db4c87: Make the Charlatan's Orb actually glow. 10(6 days ago, 4 files, 20+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f510db4c87e9 12:21:00 03dolorous02 07* 0.32-a0-821-g456b196249: Add inscription for Charlatan's Evocations boost. 10(6 days ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/456b19624988 12:21:00 03dolorous02 07* 0.32-a0-822-gd708a3a1bf: Add Charlatan's Orb status description. 10(11 minutes ago, 1 file, 5+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d708a3a1bf16 12:21:15 <12ebering> thoughts on moving spectral things to one of those colours? yellow would homogenize with zombies (bad for dchan) lightred would be incredibly metal 12:21:19 <12ebering> could also move putrid mouths 12:22:52 <06pleasingfungus> can try, uh, maybe ‘git grep “glyph.*W”’? 12:23:09 <06regret-⸸nde※> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/747522859361894521/1221539817935081492/image.png?ex=6612f29b&is=66007d9b&hm=47f2dd9d9fde9115421aaa3a90eb54e73f03473a9189b96c721e7aae2261cbf1& 12:23:17 <06pleasingfungus> tyty 12:23:23 <06pleasingfungus> still not as good as the table 12:23:31 <06pleasingfungus> but better than nothing 🙂 12:23:46 <12ebering> Ya I ran |amethysts script locally 😉 12:25:19 <06regret-⸸nde※> (I used ??glyphs[2] for most of my return until it was hurtled back a year and a half near the end of January.) 12:28:50 <06regret-⸸nde※> I'd be inclined to move putrid mouths rather than spectral things, colour-wise, since spectral green matches the tile and the putrid mouth tile has some pink-liquid highlights that's closer to one of the options of lightred. 12:32:05 <12ebering> Cool. Mouths to light red it is 14:18:09 03regret-index02 07* 0.32-a0-823-g74a9d55e41: Mildly brighten up the obsidian bat tile 10(20 hours ago, 1 file, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/74a9d55e412b 14:18:09 03regret-index02 07* 0.32-a0-824-g6c632cbfbc: A few more monster-based skill titles (yrdzrfxndfvh), some tidying 10(18 minutes ago, 1 file, 88+ 70-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6c632cbfbcf3 14:18:09 03regret-index02 07* 0.32-a0-825-g0e82a1035d: Add sticky flame to Hints Mode (PleasingFungus) 10(16 seconds ago, 4 files, 14+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0e82a1035d73 15:10:04 <04dracoomega> I don't suppose anyone knows off-hand how to make a spell that is targeted not keep defaulting to aiming at some nearby monster? 15:10:50 <04dracoomega> I'm sure it's some combination of flags and/or function that the enum needs to be added to, but several attempts thus-far have failed 15:26:11 <06dolorous_84348> I think it's one of the spflag:: values defined at the beginning of spl-cast.h. Possibly spflag::dir_or_target? 15:26:57 <06dolorous_84348> Or something similar. There are a lot of options there. 15:33:55 New branch created: pull/3727 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/3727 15:33:55 03NormalPerson702 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/3727 * 0.32-a0-826-gc3ba5d1073: Show coglins' offhand weapon in the WebTiles interface 10(10 minutes ago, 6 files, 45+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c3ba5d10734c 15:36:03 03NormalPerson702 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/3727 * 0.32-a0-826-g383b17e2c9: Show coglins' offhand weapon in the WebTiles interface 10(12 minutes ago, 6 files, 45+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/383b17e2c929 15:38:12 03NormalPerson702 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/3727 * 0.32-a0-826-g380bfad7e2: Show coglins' offhand weapon in the WebTiles interface 10(14 minutes ago, 6 files, 45+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/380bfad7e2dd 16:35:33 Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.32-a0-825-g0e82a1035d (34) 17:24:13 <12ebering> going with lightred for putrid mouths but I do want to advance the following as an argument for yellow: https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/2012-09-16 17:29:06 03ebering02 07* 0.32-a0-826-g4cabd7605a: move putrid mouths to lightred in console 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4cabd7605a57 20:14:18 03dolorous02 07* 0.32-a0-827-g29eef4237d: Add placeholder tile: equipped Charlatan's Orb. 10(17 minutes ago, 3 files, 2+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/29eef4237dd8 20:43:27 03RypoFalem02 {PleasingFungus} 07* 0.32-a0-828-gaba3a3cf60: fix: Solve the Mara Hall problem 10(3 days ago, 2 files, 13+ 9-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/aba3a3cf606c 20:52:31 <02Monkooky> So I was thinking about the monty hall vault 20:52:41 <02Monkooky> and it's doomed to be spoilery 20:53:06 <02Monkooky> (not that it's a big deal, getting the 'wrong' choice is not too bad) 20:53:38 <06pleasingfungus> sure 20:54:05 <06pleasingfungus> gotta add lua triggered speech on entry, like that goofy oka vault 20:56:35 <02Monkooky> so to make the monty hall problem function you need the rules in place it's not actually beneficial to swap unless you know the rules under which the bad door was revealed 20:57:09 <02Monkooky> which means the correct solution is obviously explaining the full rules of the monty hall problem in the lua triggered speach 20:57:33 <06pleasingfungus> ez 21:18:49 03NormalPerson702 {PleasingFungus} 07* 0.32-a0-829-g65f7d67da1: Show coglins' offhand weapon in the WebTiles interface 10(6 hours ago, 6 files, 45+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/65f7d67da109 21:18:49 03SentientSupper02 {PleasingFungus} 07* 0.32-a0-830-g984978c3b2: Add zot.cc to vcxproj 10(6 days ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/984978c3b29f 21:19:54 03SentientSupper02 {PleasingFungus} 07* 0.32-a0-831-gac1af34cca: Improve drop_disables_autopickup behavior 10(6 days ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ac1af34ccaab 21:20:58 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.32-a0-832-g0a3110eadd: Update drop_disables_autopickup docs 10(30 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0a3110eaddf1 21:22:03 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.32-a0-833-g4b62edca99: Fix: remove fired missiles 10(39 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4b62edca9906 21:30:36 03SentientSupper02 {PleasingFungus} 07* 0.32-a0-834-geaf45d8e21: Describe mindburst and pain damage 10(6 days ago, 1 file, 7+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/eaf45d8e2149 21:31:09 <02Monkooky> can someone remind me where i find the vault syntax guide 21:31:18 <02Monkooky> cause it ain't in docs/develop 21:31:56 <02Monkooky> neeeever mind 21:34:58 <06pleasingfungus> happy to help 🙂 21:37:42 <02Monkooky> You can specify fixed artefacts, e.g. the scythe of curses, by naming them: "KITEM: e = scythe of curses". I think this is out of date; I suspect spaces should be underscores instead 21:38:05 <02Monkooky> (and this section should probably note that you need to strip out apostrophes) 21:54:09 <02Monkooky> @pleasingfungus how do you feel about orp_of_zott always having an orp 22:01:18 <06regret-⸸nde※> Sounds fine to me, since it can never have all three staircases anyway. 22:08:06 <06pleasingfungus> I defer to the author, and the auteur. 22:11:07 <02Monkooky> on somewhat better understanding of how the vault works 22:12:31 <02Monkooky> I don't think I understand how this vault works very well 22:14:09 New branch created: pull/3729 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/3729 22:14:09 03Monkooky02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/3729 * 0.32-a0-829-gaaaddf3e9b: update orp_of_zott 10(54 seconds ago, 1 file, 3+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/aaaddf3e9b37 22:14:16 <02Monkooky> so we're going for minimal changes 22:15:01 <06regret-⸸nde※> In four different spots it shuffles around the options of two staircases, three different circular items, or a granite statue. 22:16:18 03Monkooky02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/3729 * 0.32-a0-830-gbf10326637: whoops 10(9 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/bf10326637be 22:16:41 <06regret-⸸nde※> (Then if it rolls the orb randart or orb statue, it can rotate those around with a zot trap, two altar options... and something that evidently was either removed or I forgot to finish cleaning out.) 22:16:49 <06regret-⸸nde※> Simple. 22:17:50 <06regret-⸸nde※> (...I guess I might have been trying to preserve the orb statue or a scintillating statue as two seperate rolls, except those would clash with the limitations of set_feature_name.) 22:18:33 <02Monkooky> would you feel offended if I cut half this complexity in favor of shuffling four round things 22:18:53 <02Monkooky> probably stone big stone orb orb statue 22:21:11 <06regret-⸸nde※> I'd probably just put two different positions for "round things" and "not round things" so it can retain the staircases. 22:21:58 <06regret-⸸nde※> I'll take a crack at merging in #3729 and #3720 and then doing follow-up tweaks for such early in the morning. 22:22:16 <06regret-⸸nde※> (Well, "when I wake up". Same difference.) 22:27:58 03Monkooky02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/3720 * 0.32-a0-820-gf7207f9a2c: Add pig, tree food lines 10(52 seconds ago, 1 file, 20+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f7207f9a2c64 22:30:06 03Monkooky02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/3720 * 0.32-a0-820-gadf2ef0efd: Add pig, tree food lines 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 20+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/adf2ef0efd14 23:26:38 Unstable branch on cbro.berotato.org updated to: 0.32-a0-834-geaf45d8e21 (34) 23:35:34 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.32-a0-834-geaf45d8e21 (34) 23:58:56 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.32-a0-834-geaf45d8e21