00:03:31 Unstable branch on cbro.berotato.org updated to: 0.32-a0-673-g3729bd50f8 (34) 00:35:46 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.32-a0-673-g3729bd50f8 (34) 00:35:47 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.32-a0-673-g3729bd50f8 (34) 00:38:56 Fork (bcrawl) on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.23-a0-5140-g5775ae71e1 00:38:56 Fork (bcrawl) on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.23-a0-5140-g5775ae71e1 00:55:14 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.32-a0-673-g3729bd50f8 03:09:29 New branch created: pull/3642 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/3642 03:09:29 03SentientSupper02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/3642 * 0.32-a0-674-g281fbbb920: Make abyss exit spawning interrupt travel 10(71 seconds ago, 5 files, 9+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/281fbbb9208d 04:32:09 Experimental (bcrawl) branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.23-a0-5140-g5775ae71e1 05:00:30 03SentientSupper02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/3642 * 0.32-a0-674-ga0aafa1565: Make abyss exit spawning interrupt travel 10(2 hours ago, 5 files, 9+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a0aafa15659b 05:07:51 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.32-a0-673-g3729bd5 (34) 07:05:20 New branch created: pull/3643 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/3643 07:05:21 03SentientSupper02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/3643 * 0.32-a0-674-ge88e99fe32: Unbug throwing nets 10(3 minutes ago, 4 files, 35+ 31-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e88e99fe324d 08:10:06 <06dolorous_84348> Quick question: I've noticed that it's possible to drink potions, read scrolls, wield weapons, wear armor, and evoke talismans from the floor, but it's not possible to evoke things other than talismans (e.g. wands and boxes of beasts) from the floor. Is there any particular reason why? 08:12:44 <13qwqwqwqwqwqwqw> I don't think it would be awful if evoking wands/misc items was possible, but the reason is that the things that are enabled are all things you might want to do when exploring, not necessarily when fighting 08:13:35 <13qwqwqwqwqwqwqw> the main purpose of the floor UI is to improve quality of life when the player's inventory is full and they explore onto e.g. a scroll of enchant weapon 08:15:39 <06dolorous_84348> That second part, I figured. 08:15:50 <06dolorous_84348> Good to know, regardless. 08:17:49 <13qwqwqwqwqwqwqw> I don't personally see an issue with expanding floor item usage more (iirc letting players use items on the floor was my idea originally because I liked being able to do it in angband, and there are no restrictions there) but I vaguely remember other people being more concerned about things when this was first implemented, don't remember why though 08:21:34 <06dolorous_84348> I wouldn't mind it either. Although writing the code for it is not something I have the time to do at the moment. 08:24:14 <13qwqwqwqwqwqwqw> I guess it's also possible that just nobody ever got around to implementing it, I dug up the original commits (in 2016) and there's no mention of it there 08:25:30 <06dolorous_84348> Quite possible. 08:27:58 <06pleasingfungus> iirc there’s some concern about people setting up a ‘battle stash’ of wands to fight on top of 08:28:08 <06pleasingfungus> idk how practical that is 08:30:12 <06dolorous_84348> Point. 08:36:43 <13qwqwqwqwqwqwqw> yeah I vaguely remembered that concern too but wasn't confident enough in my memory to mention it since it really sounds silly to me 😛 08:37:27 <13qwqwqwqwqwqwqw> did wands not stack at the time or something? 08:37:50 <06pleasingfungus> possibly? 08:38:19 <06pleasingfungus> idk if it’s a meaningfully distinct concern from scrolls/potions now 08:39:30 <13qwqwqwqwqwqwqw> I guess wand stacking was a bit later (2017) so yeah I guess it made more sense in 2016 to worry about that 09:37:29 <02Monkooky> I don't see a use case for a 'battle stash' of wands that you can't achieve by repeatedly visiting the stash and picking up the wands 09:41:33 I thought anyway you more or less thought inventory pressure shouldn't exist 09:41:48 <09gammafunk> Massive kudos to the dev who finally implemented wand stacking 09:42:16 I prefer the fellow who did wand stacking with identification myself 09:42:59 <09gammafunk> He really saved this game from falling into obscurity 09:43:53 <09gammafunk> I noticed a bug report re talismans and floor evoking 09:44:16 <03wheals> yeah, i'd say the main thing about adding more items to floor use is that it tends to bring bugs 09:44:28 <03wheals> not to say that's a reason you shouldn't do it, just be prepared 09:44:33 <09gammafunk> Claimed that it wasn't possible to untransform since talisman not in inventory 09:44:57 <13qwqwqwqwqwqwqw> wand stacking definitely one of these changes where I mostly don't remember that it was ever not a thing 09:50:38 <09gammafunk> I remember when you still had a reason to zap id wands in dcss 09:53:00 <06dolorous_84348> And then it would turn out to be a wand of random effects, and if you got an effect that helped the monster, you had to run for your life. 09:55:03 <06dolorous_84348> Not really a bug; more of an expectation that floor-evoking a talisman should automatically pick it up, which is a can of worms. Although it's what got me noticing the inability to evoke non-talismans from the floor. 09:56:26 <03wheals> is the untransform 'a'bility gone with the change to talismans? 09:58:18 <06dolorous_84348> I'm not certain what change you're referring to, but the current behavior is that you can only transform or untransform by evoking a talisman. (If it's not the one that grants you your current form, evoking it once will turn you into that talisman's form, and evoking it again will untransform you.) 10:06:13 <06pleasingfungus> untransform only exists for, uh, dith shadow form? and vamp bat form? now 10:12:02 <06pleasingfungus> that is, you untransform via ability for forms you enter via ability 11:53:31 -!- log is now known as Loggers_VIII 12:00:41 New branch created: pull/3645 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/3645 12:00:41 03NormalPerson702 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/3645 * 0.32-a0-674-gff7975d8e5: Improve colours of spells in spellbooks 10(12 minutes ago, 2 files, 13+ 13-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ff7975d8e56a 12:47:17 if you drop a talisman while you are in a talisman form, how do you exit the form? 13:03:11 <06dolorous_84348> Either exit it by evoking the talisman on the floor, or find another talisman and evoke it, either from the floor or your inventory. 13:09:48 <13qwqwqwqwqwqwqw> you don't need a talisman to exit a form 13:11:20 <13qwqwqwqwqwqwqw> only to enter a form 13:11:40 <13qwqwqwqwqwqwqw> can exit a form either by evoking the talisman again or by using ability menu 13:12:19 <13qwqwqwqwqwqwqw> unless this discussion is about some proposed change, but I'm not sure why we would remove the untransform ability, seems good to have both 13:27:33 <06pleasingfungus> i remember discussing removing it because people kept complaining about it, but maybe i didn’t, or someone added it back 13:30:44 <06dolorous_84348> Oops, right; there is an untransform ability option. I should have checked more carefully. (The wizard options clutter the ability menu a bit.) 13:42:57 <06dolorous_84348> Sorry about any confusion. 14:06:12 <09gammafunk> Aha 14:06:39 <09gammafunk> Bug reporter also presumably didn't see it 14:10:58 <06pleasingfungus> i feel like maybe wheals added it back, or advil 14:11:10 <06pleasingfungus> quite a while ago 14:37:02 <09gammafunk> Whatever happened in the past is a total mystery as far as I'm concerned 14:37:39 <06pleasingfungus> big same 14:38:25 <06dolorous_84348> Unless one has the increasingly rare motivation to make an archaeological dig through the git logs (what "git blame" is for, I think?). 14:38:58 <06dolorous_84348> Maybe there's a way to do it through github's interface; I don't know. 14:39:12 <06dolorous_84348> If anyone cares that much, I mean. 14:39:32 blame view, then you can click through to past changes 14:39:58 it's still speleology 14:40:40 <06dolorous_84348> Thank you; I just learned a new word. 14:46:21 <06pleasingfungus> i enjoy git archaeology tremendously, but, alas, not on mobile 14:47:04 <06dolorous_84348> I've used tablets before, but I find a lot of mobile interfaces lacking, so I prefer to use an actual computer when possible. 14:48:13 <06dolorous_84348> Especially when the mobile interface interprets your gesture in some completely bonkers way, and you have no idea whant it's doing. 14:49:40 <06dolorous_84348> After trying to drag an icon for something upward years ago, and the device somehow misinterpreting it as a command to permanently delete the icon, without any indication of what it thought I was doing, and no way to undo it, I haven't really trusted mobile interfaces in general. 14:50:21 <06dolorous_84348> I still use them, but I'm leery. And not on phones, because my manual dexterity isn't perfect and phone screens are just too small. 14:59:32 03Implojin02 07* 0.32-a0-674-ga07e523f8f: Add a brand inscription to the dragonskin cloak (ragingrage) 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a07e523f8fb1 15:06:57 03dolorous02 07* 0.32-a0-675-gdc239d62e1: Fix song/spoken word citations. 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/dc239d62e196 15:13:18 04Build failed for 08master @ a07e523f 06https://github.com/crawl/crawl/actions/runs/8225024105 15:15:45 04Build failed for 08master @ dc239d62 06https://github.com/crawl/crawl/actions/runs/8225069426 15:46:14 New branch created: pull/3646 (4 commits) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/3646 15:46:15 03mainiacjoe02 {GitHub} 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/3646 * 0.32-a0-674-ga83181594d: Add a hat shop. Still need syntax help. 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 53+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a83181594df0 15:46:15 03mainiacjoe02 {GitHub} 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/3646 * 0.32-a0-675-gf3afbb6d5b: Finish Wiglaf's Hat Shop 10(14 minutes ago, 1 file, 21+ 16-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f3afbb6d5b1b 15:46:15 03mainiacjoe02 {GitHub} 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/3646 * 0.32-a0-676-gcd45755f54: Add DEPTH to Wiglaf's Hat Shop 10(8 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/cd45755f5496 15:46:15 03mainiacjoe02 {GitHub} 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/3646 * 0.32-a0-679-gc96a7c386a: Merge branch 'crawl:master' into hat_shop 10(7 minutes ago, 0 files, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c96a7c386a3b 16:07:27 <03wheals> i'm pretty sure i didn't, especially because my original question in this conversation was whether the ability still existed 16:08:22 <03wheals> frankly there have been a few times i went through git logs and discovered that i did something that i had thought someone else did, though 16:09:37 <13qwqwqwqwqwqwqw> regardless I think it's good to have it available on the ability menu, among other things it means that a player can't go into a portal vault, find a talisman, try it out, forget to leave it, drop the talisman, leave the portal, and then be stuck in the form until they find another talisman 16:10:12 <03wheals> agreed 16:26:33 <06pleasingfungus> sure 16:34:42 Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.32-a0-675-gdc239d62e1 (34) 16:47:13 <06dolorous_84348> Also agreed. 16:58:08 03mainiacjoe02 {GitHub} 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/3646 * 0.32-a0-680-gbe063bd434: Add S-branch ends to DEPTH 10(55 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/be063bd434f4 18:15:55 ironwallaby (L10 OpSh) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 234: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:8) 20:39:27 03SentientSupper02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/3641 * 0.32-a0-675-g46d448ba43: New tile for slug shots 10(77 seconds ago, 10 files, 12+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/46d448ba4337 20:45:50 03SentientSupper02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/3589 * 0.32-a0-674-gb8b42aa2ee: Rework Ghouls 10(2 weeks ago, 14 files, 89+ 10-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b8b42aa2ee3b 20:45:50 03SentientSupper02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/3589 * 0.32-a0-675-g9881131227: checkwhite 10(2 weeks ago, 2 files, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/98811312271e 20:45:50 03SentientSupper02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/3589 * 0.32-a0-676-gd6321be94c: Further nerf ghoul mp 10(2 weeks ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d6321be94cbe 20:45:50 03SentientSupper02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/3589 * 0.32-a0-677-gfb7cb4b359: Make lucid gain more consistent 10(2 weeks ago, 5 files, 21+ 15-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/fb7cb4b3592f 20:45:50 03SentientSupper02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/3589 * 0.32-a0-678-g5552790c35: Allow lucid gain from manifold assault kills 10(2 weeks ago, 1 file, 0+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/5552790c352e 20:45:50 03SentientSupper02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/3589 * 0.32-a0-679-g34621058a5: Update ghoul descriptions 10(2 weeks ago, 3 files, 10+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/34621058a519 20:45:50 03SentientSupper02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/3589 * 0.32-a0-680-gd0e6d904a8: Consuming lucidity sets it a to minimum duration 10(2 weeks ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d0e6d904a8ff 20:45:50 03SentientSupper02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/3589 * 0.32-a0-681-gb3ed124c03: Allow ghoul healing to work with summons 10(2 weeks ago, 1 file, 33+ 29-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b3ed124c03db 20:45:50 03SentientSupper02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/3589 * 0.32-a0-682-g729bc2ca99: Don't let banishment give lucidity 10(2 weeks ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/729bc2ca9950 20:45:50 03SentientSupper02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/3589 * 0.32-a0-683-g0b7c5eeabe: Give lucid +wiz 10(2 weeks ago, 2 files, 4+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0b7c5eeabe14 20:45:50 ... and 3 more commits 23:13:09 Unstable branch on cbro.berotato.org updated to: 0.32-a0-675-gdc239d62e1 (34) 23:35:24 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.32-a0-675-gdc239d62e1 (34) 23:58:06 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.32-a0-675-gdc239d62e1