00:45:44 Fork (bcrawl) on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.23-a0-5014-gf9597c7f93 01:00:20 Fork (bcadrencrawl) on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.03-2225-g31e5e3ef04 02:32:14 -!- TAS-2012v is now known as TAS_2012v 03:23:08 Experimental (bcrawl) branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.23-a0-5014-gf9597c7f93 05:29:38 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.31-a0-507-gbafd7f5 (34) 06:07:45 can someone check this? https://github.com/crawl/crawl/issues/3227 06:37:33 03advil02 07* 0.31-a0-508-gee86dcb4cb: fix: don't crash on line_down in an empty menu 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ee86dcb4cbab 06:37:33 03advil02 07[stone_soup-0.30] * 0.30.1-4-g462c640d31: fix: don't crash on line_down in an empty menu 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/462c640d3108 06:50:28 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.31-a0-508-gee86dcb4cb (34) 06:51:10 03advil02 07* 0.31-a0-509-gd5cd04eec4: fix: quiet some enum class+switch related warnings 10(50 seconds ago, 2 files, 2+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d5cd04eec476 07:00:08 -!- kate-- is now known as kate- 07:06:13 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.31-a0-509-gd5cd04eec4 (34) 07:22:33 03nlavsky02 07* 0.31-a0-510-g5e04a77a59: fix: make grey clouds less purple 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/5e04a77a595e 07:22:51 <06pleasingfungus> @sastreii lmk if you want some new tiles requests btw 07:29:54 03Implojin02 07* 0.31-a0-511-gdc6bdc1437: Add a new tiles icon for paralyse 10(13 minutes ago, 8 files, 33+ 17-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/dc6bdc14379b 07:30:09 <05sastreii> Hellooo i wasn’t very active lately, i had a lot of stuff to do! But i always accept tile request! Give em to me! I’ve spotted a new talisman and a new unique, i don’t know if there’s more 07:34:16 <06pleasingfungus> that’s i think the core stuff 07:34:42 <06pleasingfungus> at some point we might want a formless jellyfish tile but i still might remove that 07:34:48 <06pleasingfungus> flux talisman: 07:34:52 <06pleasingfungus> ??flux talisman 07:34:52 <04Cerebot> flux talisman[1/1]: Makes you glow in the dark, the Three Mile Island way. Hits contaminate foes: first one makes em glow (-dodge/invis), third melts down, doing big damage and malmutating. 07:35:53 <06pleasingfungus> imagining this as a metal cylinder with a glass window in the middle to see a speck of some ominous glowing substance, with colours matching irradiate effects 07:36:00 <06pleasingfungus> but open to other ideas 07:36:14 <06pleasingfungus> jeremiah (new unique): 07:36:45 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.31-a0-511-gdc6bdc1437 (34) 07:36:47 <06pleasingfungus> !source dat/descrip/monsters.txt 07:36:48 <04Cerebot> Can't find dat/descrip/monsters.txt. 07:36:56 <06pleasingfungus> !source dat/descript/monsters.txt 07:36:57 <04Cerebot> https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dat/descript/monsters.txt 07:37:34 <06pleasingfungus> > Jeremiah is a peaceful dreamer, who made the mistake of dozing off in a long-forgotten shrine. In their dreams, they were visited by an old and hateful power, which bound them to its service as all barachim were bound long ago. Now Jeremiah stumbles through the dungeon, searching for the precious dreamshard that will restore their master’s power, unsure whether they wake or slumber still. Their dreams leak into reality in the 07:37:35 form of a constant stream of butterflies. 07:38:00 <06pleasingfungus> barachian (frog person) 07:38:07 <06pleasingfungus> wields a glaive 07:38:29 <06pleasingfungus> would be very funny if they were in pajamas 07:38:43 <06pleasingfungus> robe etc also reasonable 07:39:13 <06pleasingfungus> could play with giving them a slight rainbow aura or rainbows from one hand, something to indicate their contact with the dream world (optional) 07:43:09 <06pleasingfungus> other stuff we’re thinking about adding: 07:43:26 <06pleasingfungus> - aisha, very old lvl 27 djinn (this is silly!) 07:45:00 <06pleasingfungus> - hand cannon (retheme of hand xbow) - maybe fires via magic instead of gunpowder, so looks like a cross between a flintlock pistol and a magic wand 07:56:11 <05sastreii> Whoa! Questions: 1-fluxform melds everything? It’s like a walking blob? 2-jeremiah aways wields a glaive? 3-hand cannon it’s an unrand or a new type of weapon? 07:57:23 sastreii - you drew us the Triceratops, which is lovely, but IDK if you'd consider other fork tile requests (we have about three) 07:57:34 Obvs (especially in this channel ahem) vanilla comes first 08:00:45 i have asked about this posix warning before. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/issues/3245 08:01:53 removing bison's -y option should fix it without further issues 08:03:31 <05sastreii> You can ping me in the dcss-variants channel if you want! I’m always up for new tiles but i can’t assure you that i’ll do them in the near future😅 08:04:04 how many variants there is? 08:04:33 ??variants 08:04:34 variants[1/2]: Hexcrawl http://mbays.freeshell.org/hexcrawl 08:04:51 Well, that wasn't what I expected and also is cluttering up #crawl-dev, I'll PM you 08:04:59 only two? 08:07:13 <05icoson> http://crawl.chaosforge.org/Variants seems reasonably complete 08:07:59 some of those are not maintained 08:08:11 I've PMed you with what I know. 08:09:07 i think most of them are not maintained ;) 08:09:34 <05icoson> you didn't say "maintained", but if you want more info, including the question of what is currently being maintained, the #dcss-variants channel in the roguelikes discord is probably a better place to ask 08:09:39 <11⸸※ of starspawned spite> ...one could just say whichever fork variant this one with dinosaurs is, directly 08:10:17 probably bcrawl is the only one 08:11:03 (you could read your PMs) 08:11:32 <11⸸※ of starspawned spite> ...I didn't get any, more that I didn't think mentioning whichever it is is hardly taboo here 08:12:01 Not you! I mean jv84 who I've sent some in a (vain) attempt not to clutter up this channel with fork talk. 08:12:05 <11⸸※ of starspawned spite> (also, had not seen any dinosaurs from a recent look over its changelog, but I hadn't been looking at commits history) 08:12:20 <05icoson> pinkbeast maintains stoat soup if that's what you're asking 08:12:34 The Triceratops is Stoat Soup; it's a Swamp unique with fearsome melee and the ability to knock down trees, because that's original, er. But I like triceratopses 08:14:39 <11⸸※ of starspawned spite> heptakaieikosiceratops 08:17:02 <08nicolae> noo 08:18:06 <11⸸※ of starspawned spite> (...have to admit, aside from that opaque lerny also tramples trees and is number themed statement, when it comes to non-aquatic dinosaurs my first thought is "crypt reanimation experiments") 08:18:25 <11⸸※ of starspawned spite> *??formless jellyfish 08:18:25 <04Cerebot> formless jellyfish (J) | Spd: 10 | HD: 15 | HP: 95-136 | AC/EV: 0/3 | Dam: 37(minipara), 5(constrict) | amphibious | Res: will(60), poison, blind, drown | XP: 1093 | Sp: blink close [!sil] | Sz: Large | Int: brainless. 08:18:39 <11⸸※ of starspawned spite> ...shoals? 08:19:19 <06pleasingfungus> 1) fluxform melds only wielded items at present (weapon/shield) - just makes you magically radioactive/unstable (hands sometimes destabilize) 08:19:45 <06pleasingfungus> 2) jeremiah always wields a glaive unless someone tukima’s them or they swap weapons 08:19:58 <06pleasingfungus> 3) hand cannon just a retheme of hand xbow 08:20:11 03elliptic02 07* 0.31-a0-512-g28e415ffb7: Fix a misspelling. 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/28e415ffb716 08:20:40 <11⸸※ of starspawned spite> (...reminded of my doofy jot notes about continuing the elemental hellspring stuff by trying out hell-scaled, more magical jellyfish for another cocytus thing.) 08:22:20 what is rawlins' nick? 08:22:32 <06pleasingfungus> demonic jellyfish and dino skellies certainly thematic 08:22:35 Darn it, it hadn't even occurred to me that they're both number-themed. Hooray, even less original than I thought. 08:22:37 <06pleasingfungus> advil 08:23:03 he's not online 08:23:46 <06pleasingfungus> hm, @icoson was here just a sec ago 08:23:50 <06pleasingfungus> why? 08:23:56 preferably waiting his opinion on that posix warning 08:24:51 it wasn't fixed when i asked last time. ;) 08:26:06 <05sastreii> Hmmm in that case we need a plain, enchanted and randart version? 08:26:12 oh yeah it was this. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/issues/2031 08:27:35 maybe i should have reopened that old issue. :P 08:29:01 I think rereading their reply in that old issue (the one that begins "Yes; adding additional deps is not remotely worth getting rid of a harmless warning that appears on some platforms.") would be valuable 08:30:18 nobody tested dropping the -y option 08:35:17 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.31-a0-512-g28e415ffb7 (34) 08:35:29 <06pleasingfungus> sast: yeah. again this is very low priority, just something to address folks who feel like hand xbows don’t sound high tier or as damaging as arbalests 08:36:51 <06pleasingfungus> jv84: are you going to? 08:37:41 heh 08:37:53 i still don't have macos 08:39:17 but it works on linux to remove -y 08:56:25 <05icoson> tbh I don't actually see why this warning needs to be fixed, but it just would need a bunch of cross-platform testing to be fixed 08:59:46 <05icoson> imo we generally fix all cc warnings because they are on the whole indicative of potential actual problems (even if future problems), but this one just ... isn't? 09:00:48 <05icoson> if macos ever updates the stock bison I would add the -W command, but so far they haven't (not through ventura at least) 09:01:28 <05icoson> the build as it stands can't ever use anything but bison 10:17:53 Midn8 (L12 GhMo) ASSERT(you.running.turns_passed < buggy_threshold) in 'delay.cc' at line 538 failed. (Excessive delay, 700 turns passed, delay type 9999299) (Lair:1) 10:38:42 <06pleasingfungus> interesting 10:57:17 03advil02 07* 0.31-a0-513-gb2b78dfc09: fix: update PromptMenu state when switching modes 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b2b78dfc0917 11:05:30 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.31-a0-513-gb2b78dfc09 (34) 11:07:44 03advil02 07* 0.31-a0-514-g6123214d49: fix: initialize a PromptMenu variable (dilly) 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6123214d49ff 11:33:59 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.31-a0-514-g6123214d49 (34) 11:35:08 acky5 (L17 HOFi) ERROR in 'mon-util.cc' at line 681: bogus mc (no monster data): invalid monster_type 1000 (1000) (Snake:4) 13:18:40 New branch created: pull/3246 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/3246 13:18:40 03orjb102 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/3246 * 0.31-a0-515-g7122abb574: Leafy Arrival Vault 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 34+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/7122abb5741d 13:26:23 <03semi_tonal> oh, that resting crash looks like it's a ghoul resting with enemies in LOS (but across deep water), i sort of thought that case was already handled but perhaps not 13:30:33 <06pleasingfungus> assume we fixed it and then it broke again 13:30:42 <06pleasingfungus> perhaps repeatedly 13:32:07 <03semi_tonal> ah, it looks like there's a check that stops you from starting resting with monsters in view if you have no regen 13:32:33 <03semi_tonal> but if you start a rest with no monsters in view and then they come into view, there's no further checks for it 13:33:59 <06pleasingfungus> nice 13:37:55 <03semi_tonal> hmm, do invisible monsters trigger -regen and if so is fixing this going to mean that the crash still occurs with unseen horrors after i push this fix 13:38:36 <03semi_tonal> the answer is, apparently, yes 13:38:57 <03semi_tonal> another one on the board in favour of invis removal... 13:53:57 <06pleasingfungus> @semi_tonal should i make a good decision and not merge the silly djinn unique 13:54:00 <06pleasingfungus> nooo rip sleepwalking 13:54:03 <06pleasingfungus> too soon! too soon!!!!!! 13:54:06 <03semi_tonal> rip... 13:54:17 <06pleasingfungus> it was so thematic........... 13:54:20 03PleasingFungus02 07[gimmickrael] * 0.31-a0-514-g7cefd2848e: Aisha dialogue 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 39+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/7cefd2848e20 13:54:20 03PleasingFungus02 07[gimmickrael] * 0.31-a0-515-g01bd4353c6: Lower Aisha's cast frequency 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 13+ 13-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/01bd4353c65a 13:54:20 03kate-02 07* 0.31-a0-515-g61598ed1a1: Remove a sleepwalking gimmick 10(22 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/61598ed1a16c 13:54:20 03kate-02 07* 0.31-a0-516-gfcb59812bd: Fix a resting crash with inhibited regen 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/fcb59812bd47 13:54:42 <06pleasingfungus> (i'm not merging djinn unique until i fix the cast dialogue and give em a randart staff, just wondering, like, about the principle of the thing) 13:56:47 <03semi_tonal> i feel like the joke probably isn't good enough to make up for the actual monster design 13:57:08 <06pleasingfungus> it's sort of interesting that the monster design is fighting itself 13:57:18 <06pleasingfungus> like if you have the summons around then it won't be able to do its big conjurations 13:57:29 <04dracoomega> A giant mixed spellset is sort of cute, but I worry a bit at the practical effects of a spellset that is often mild and sometimes annihilates you, though 13:57:52 <06pleasingfungus> maybe this is more interesting for a dev than a player 13:57:55 <04dracoomega> (I find it very hard to predict, just looking at the list, about how bad it usually is to fight, tbh) 13:58:10 <03semi_tonal> like, a djinn unique with lots of spells seems fine in principle but probably not that many spells and that wildly mixed, yeah 13:58:15 <04dracoomega> Like, in practice, how often will it actually feel it can fire storm you? 13:59:06 <04dracoomega> I'm not really sure I could have a sense of that without actually fighting it a few times 14:05:03 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.31-a0-516-gfcb59812bd (34) 14:59:58 <08wormsofcan> need to have the mutation give the player see invisible 15:10:11 <09hellmonk> ghoul and vampire merge undefeated 15:21:27 <06pleasingfungus> lol 15:21:43 <06pleasingfungus> this is the palentonga approach 15:26:08 Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.31-a0-516-gfcb59812bd (34) 15:55:02 <11⸸※ of starspawned spite> (aisha after the adjusted cast rate being at 15 total weight for summoning just makes me think about how incredulously rarely it is that giant orange brains actually succeed at doing anything hostile with their 10 weight for summoning) 16:25:08 Stable (0.30) branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.30.1-4-g462c640d31 17:04:56 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.31-a0-517-g48e1739576: Tweak *Noise description (acrobat, elliptic) 10(49 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/48e1739576b8 17:20:20 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.31-a0-517-g48e1739576 (34) 17:43:24 Okay, figured out the cause of https://github.com/crawl/crawl/issues/3225 17:43:24 gauntlet.des uses the dgn.tile lua function, which eventually leads to tile_env.flv(gc).feat being set when laying out the gauntlet vault in a level. 17:43:25 tile_env.flv(pos).feat can override env.map_knowledge in tileidx_feature() (located at tilepick.cc:552), which is used by the popup to select the appropriate tile. 17:43:25 It seems like this should have a relatively simple fix, so I might be able to get a PR a fix for is by sometime tomorrow... emphasis on seems. 17:50:22 <06pleasingfungus> nice! 18:00:26 New branch created: smartfellas (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/tree/smartfellas 18:00:26 03hellmonk02 07[smartfellas] * 0.31-a0-517-ga30647e4c4: fix: don't meph cloud rpois players 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 8+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a30647e4c429 18:02:32 New branch created: pull/3247 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/3247 18:02:32 Branch pull/3247 updated to be equal with smartfellas: 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/3247 18:42:52 <08nicolae> aw, dang, i replied to this PR but apparently it got cut: https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/3246 18:44:55 <06pleasingfungus> it can be uncut! 18:45:17 <06pleasingfungus> could suggest they reopen it 18:45:30 <08nicolae> maybe i'll just yoink it out, fix it up myself, and merge it with their name on it 18:48:48 <06pleasingfungus> legal 19:01:11 03nicolae02 07* 0.31-a0-518-g2cb333d0c2: Fix the tiles in elethiomel_arrival_fortress_basement 10(75 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2cb333d0c25e 19:01:58 <06pleasingfungus> lol 19:02:43 <06pleasingfungus> wow that old tile situation is a mess 19:02:52 <08nicolae> it's not my favorite! 19:05:22 New branch created: badpun (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/tree/badpun 19:05:22 03hellmonk02 07[badpun] * 0.31-a0-518-g105f16d8a9: feat: very dumb bad unique 10(2 minutes ago, 10 files, 53+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/105f16d8a965 19:06:26 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.31-a0-519-gdf67acd773: Warm Jeremiah up (acrobat) 10(30 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/df67acd77306 19:08:17 <08nicolae> this is the absolute greatest tile in the history of roguelikes 19:08:32 03hellmonk02 07[badpun] * 0.31-a0-519-gaf4574c4d0: tile 10(78 seconds ago, 1 file, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/af4574c4d0b5 19:08:41 <08nicolae> not sure i like the name "moriorby" but the tile and the "private eye" joke are bellissimo 19:15:08 <08nicolae> sadly the only other "detective + eyeball" pun that's coming to mind is Benoit Blink 19:16:37 <11⸸※ of starspawned spite> which eye digs? 19:16:55 <08nicolae> Squintsy, M. E. 19:18:04 <11⸸※ of starspawned spite> (this is mostly just making me think there should be a little more floating eyes than whatever extremely cautious number I put them at way way back 19:19:09 <04dracoomega> They do seem like they basically don't exist these days and that makes me mildly sad 19:19:55 <08nicolae> Sam Sphere 19:20:05 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.31-a0-519-gdf67acd773 (34) 19:20:18 <08nicolae> Philip Marlorb 19:20:29 <04dracoomega> Though speaking of, when you were saying the other day that giant orange brains don't do much and could use some love, I have become somehow enamored of the idea of replacing shadow creatures with summoning exactly 2 eyes of devastation (with your proposed change of energy bolt cutting MR). ...but I also really wish we had a hand monster to make it also have a chance of summoning exactly 2 of, to slap you around with >.> 19:20:37 <08nicolae> Inspector Closedeye 19:20:58 <11⸸※ of starspawned spite> ...also some notes I wrote on, like, some kind of fire, air, or pure conjurations elemental Big Magic Hand with af_blink_with, at_constrict, and a shot of whatever fits that element, to help out low air / fire variety and start getting more constructs besides Literally Called Elemental or dancing weapons for Elf) 19:21:18 <04dracoomega> This vulnerable brain controlling 2 eyes with 2 beams and 2 hands, like some kind of old shmup boss or something 19:23:20 <11⸸※ of starspawned spite> (...a hand which would possibly also fit brains if it wasn't too heavily such-elementally themed.) 19:24:26 <04dracoomega> I do wonder a little if giving the hands af_blink_with, specifically in combination with the brain, kind of muxes with cause fear working well? Dunno 19:24:37 <11⸸※ of starspawned spite> * shrugs * 19:24:45 <11⸸※ of starspawned spite> maybe there could be multiple hands! :P 19:25:10 <11⸸※ of starspawned spite> just gotta very slowly be able to build a whole person after being stuck with, what, a few eyes and one brain and two skulls 19:25:41 <04dracoomega> Two skulls? 19:25:50 <11⸸※ of starspawned spite> flying and curse 19:26:00 <11⸸※ of starspawned spite> just slightly different 19:26:10 <04dracoomega> Oh, oh. Haha 19:26:46 <06pleasingfungus> lol re eyes 19:27:31 <04dracoomega> With MR stripping on the bolt, it even synergizes with the brain! 19:28:26 03nicolae02 07* 0.31-a0-520-ge4037352c6: Rescue an arrival vault from oblivion and add it 10(82 seconds ago, 1 file, 34+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e4037352c6a8 19:28:26 <04dracoomega> (It doesn't need to also have hands, but it's cute if it did, imo) 19:29:23 <11⸸※ of starspawned spite> (...also, I've done the occasional thing in this theme before, so I'm mildly biased, but I kinda want to say an eye unique should be the vaults branch unique.) 19:29:29 04Build failed for 08badpun @ 105f16d8 06https://github.com/crawl/crawl/actions/runs/5816088639 19:29:49 <06pleasingfungus> sadly one skull is excessive and ten toes are even worse 19:30:07 <04dracoomega> Haha, yes 19:30:22 <11⸸※ of starspawned spite> just need holy toes back again 19:30:24 <06pleasingfungus> oh r-i said skulls 19:30:26 <06pleasingfungus> rip 19:30:28 <06pleasingfungus> typed too slow 19:31:06 <11⸸※ of starspawned spite> *0.10?blessed toe 19:31:07 <04Cerebot> blessed toe (*) | UNFINISHED | Speed: 10 (move: 200%) | HD: 14 | Health: 77 | AC/EV: 50/1 | Flags: holy, see invisible, lev, !sil | Res: magic(immune), cold, elec++, poison, rot, neg+++, holy | XP: 4953 | Sp: holies, heal other, holy word. 19:31:58 <06pleasingfungus> good ac 19:32:12 <04dracoomega> Dear lord 19:32:32 <11⸸※ of starspawned spite> evidently the saint it was taken from was a gargoyle 19:32:42 <06pleasingfungus> lev, 19:32:58 <06pleasingfungus> simply don’t make em like this anymore 19:34:34 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.31-a0-520-ge4037352c6 (34) 20:06:24 <11⸸※ of starspawned spite> (out of curiousity, as draco and I talk over elf- is there any syntax to see the number of wins that also bothered with even entering elf 3?) 20:12:32 <06pleasingfungus> !lm * br.end=elf won 20:12:37 <04Cerebot> 129071. [2023-08-10 01:53:04] Airwolf the Sensei (L24 DrSh of Okawaru) reached level 3 of the Elven Halls on turn 64562. (Elf:3) 20:12:42 <06pleasingfungus> hm 20:12:59 <06pleasingfungus> !lm * br.end=elf won x=cdist(gid) 20:13:04 <04Cerebot> 129071 milestones for * (br.end=elf won): cdist(game_key)=129063 20:13:11 <06pleasingfungus> that seems wrong 20:13:20 <06pleasingfungus> !lg * won 20:13:21 <04Cerebot> 154776. wormbird2 the Grand Master (L27 OpSh of Gozag), escaped with the Orb and 5 runes on 2023-08-10 03:06:50, with 2785615 points after 86523 turns and 2:28:42. 20:13:28 <06pleasingfungus> maybe it’s right 20:19:06 <11⸸※ of starspawned spite> ...really. 20:19:50 <06pleasingfungus> doesn’t seem wild 20:20:10 <06pleasingfungus> !lm * br.end=elf won lg:urune=3 20:20:16 <04Cerebot> 57921. [2023-08-10 01:53:04] Airwolf the Sensei (L24 DrSh of Okawaru) reached level 3 of the Elven Halls on turn 64562. (Elf:3) 20:20:28 <06pleasingfungus> !lg * won urune=3 20:20:29 <04Cerebot> 78860. Airwolf the Conqueror (L27 DrSh of Okawaru), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2023-08-10 02:48:37, with 1578944 points after 83089 turns and 4:19:05. 20:20:47 <06pleasingfungus> bigger gap there 20:20:54 <06pleasingfungus> but do think elf is popular 20:20:54 <11⸸※ of starspawned spite> moderately more plausible 20:21:13 <06pleasingfungus> seems reasonable that almost all extended wins would do elf 20:21:25 <06pleasingfungus> and 2/3rds of 3runes 20:21:32 <06pleasingfungus> 75%? w/e 20:22:07 <11⸸※ of starspawned spite> I had gotten the impression all the chaff cutting and all the prominent dancing weapons made it feel dangerous for 3-runes but maybe that's just out of date or people reallllly want the spare xp after all the other floor cuts 20:22:50 <11⸸※ of starspawned spite> (of course, there's no way to track really anybody bothering with Blade) 20:23:06 <06pleasingfungus> !lm * br.enter=elf recentishish / lg:elf 20:23:08 <04Cerebot> No keyword 'lg:elf' 20:23:10 <06pleasingfungus> noo 20:23:18 <06pleasingfungus> !lm * br.enter=elf recentishish / lg:br=elf 20:23:23 <04Cerebot> 11844/79801 milestones for * (br.enter=elf recentishish): N=11844/79801 (14.84%) 20:23:39 <06pleasingfungus> !lm * br.enter=elf cv<0.18 / lg:br=elf 20:23:48 <04Cerebot> 16930/112910 milestones for * (br.enter=elf cv<0.18): N=16930/112910 (14.99%) 20:23:55 <06pleasingfungus> shrug 20:26:40 <11⸸※ of starspawned spite> (...kinda also staring at how, according to such types of look-ups, crypt is substantially less popular than elf still) 20:27:58 <06pleasingfungus> sounds likely yeah 20:28:08 <06pleasingfungus> crypt is elf for goths 20:31:23 <09hellmonk> if that was true i would do it 20:31:27 fwiw, I've lost count of the number of times I've heard a player saying they were going into Elf looking for something they hadn't been able to find anywhere else; Crypt doesn't really offer that 20:32:19 <06pleasingfungus> ya 20:32:37 <09hellmonk> more fun to kill squishy elves than zombies with 200 gorillion hp 20:36:29 <06pleasingfungus> *morbillion 20:36:34 <06pleasingfungus> undead 20:43:26 <09hellmonk> I like it when the vampire knight casts paralyze and then morbs all over me 20:50:42 <11⸸※ of starspawned spite> I wonder if crypt ends could use more standardization of threat (a little downwards, probably) and then I could buff crypt_loot_plus(e) to be less... guessing blindly 20:51:01 <11⸸※ of starspawned spite> https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/crypt.des#L64 20:51:32 <08nicolae> clearly we need to improve the crypt loot, i'm gonna make a bunch of crypt loot vaults 20:51:33 <11⸸※ of starspawned spite> do people even know you can get exec axes of draining or great maces of vamp from crypt. almost certainly not, most likely 20:51:41 <11⸸※ of starspawned spite> har har 20:52:11 <08nicolae> put the entrance to vaults in crypt 20:52:13 <11⸸※ of starspawned spite> maybe the vaults that already exist could have items put into them, cough cough 20:52:26 <08nicolae> but keep the entrance to crypt in vaults 20:52:40 <08nicolae> sounds like some nerd shit imo 20:52:44 <09hellmonk> branch rotate crypt and elf t b h 20:52:58 <11⸸※ of starspawned spite> yes, and that's why the vault standard sure has changed since I was doing anything. 20:53:14 <09hellmonk> you will fight curse skulls and you will like it 20:53:31 <08nicolae> replace d:1 with crypt 20:53:41 <11⸸※ of starspawned spite> replace this channel with crypt 20:54:09 <08nicolae> we already did... 20:54:13 <06pleasingfungus> we have standards?! 20:54:17 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.31-a0-521-gc7390f8997: Reduce high duration summons (hellmonk, Buttons) 10(2 minutes ago, 2 files, 7+ 12-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c7390f899727 20:54:21 <11⸸※ of starspawned spite> that is my point. 20:54:33 <06pleasingfungus> ??devteam[wildly 20:54:34 <04Cerebot> devteam[26/27]: let me check our house style hm, looks like we're wildly inconsistent 20:54:42 <08nicolae> 20:55:07 <09hellmonk> my house style is a rude doctor but hes very smart and always figures out the right diagnosis 20:55:16 <09hellmonk> idk never watched that show 20:55:25 <08nicolae> anyway i have some crypt vaults i'm working on already, i can try to punch up some of the existing ones too. i probably won't touch the endings though 20:55:40 <11⸸※ of starspawned spite> let me tell you, the teeth gnashing I had to the fact wizlabs and abyss runes both had new additions in the wrong order in the .des. 21:00:38 <04dracoomega> To discourage repeatedly recasting summons out of combat I'm curious why this applies to summons that don't have meaningful randomization you'd want to reroll for? Unless I misunderstand something. 21:01:49 <04dracoomega> (I have no idea off-hand how much different a 3 than a 4 is for actual turn numbers, mind you) 21:04:16 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.31-a0-521-gc7390f8997 (34) 22:45:54 <06pleasingfungus> DO: just to have em ready at the start of fights 22:46:30 <06pleasingfungus> abj dur 1/2/3/4 is approx 9/18/36/72 turns, per hellmo 22:52:19 <04dracoomega> Way back in the day, I think canine familiar specifically was supposed to be a long-lasting thing that you could have follow you around outside of combat, flavor-wise, though I guess I don't know how much that especially matters 22:52:30 <04dracoomega> (It definitely has the most reroll troubles, too >.>) 22:54:21 <04dracoomega> (I feel a little sadder about servitor being far more likely to run out - literally having to cut duration in half at each step is so coarse-grained - but really, I think the spell is in a somewhat sadder state for other reasons these days, with more and more player spells that it can't imitate.) 23:29:20 Unstable branch on cbro.berotato.org updated to: 0.31-a0-521-gc7390f8997 (34)