00:53:56 Fork (bcrawl) on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.23-a0-4917-g3c53b74d1c 01:19:51 Fork (bcadrencrawl) on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.03-1646-g697d3608ad 01:43:15 Fork (stoatsoup) on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.23-s2-232-g2f2dfc82cb 03:23:02 Experimental (bcrawl) branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.23-a0-4917-g3c53b74d1c 05:05:53 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.30-a0-1124-g6e8f0f5 (34) 05:42:31 <06advil> thanks rax!! very much appreciated 05:42:45 <06advil> re other things to do, I think an os upgrade would be the most important 05:44:11 <06advil> in terms of disk space, modern webtiles servers just produce vast amounts of mostly pointless ttyrec data that will eventually fill up whatever disk space you give it; the old model of keeping all ttyrecs just isn't viable in general I think 06:01:29 -!- advil_ is now known as advil 06:38:56 <09gammafunk> Believe it or not, I got a few complaints about it. I'll bring it up in roguelikes to see if any of those so-called players feel strongly about it still 06:51:23 03advil02 07* 0.30-a0-1125-ga5d8a0da8e: refactor: better separate option parsing, state, and management 10(7 weeks ago, 4 files, 897+ 599-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a5d8a0da8ec2 06:51:23 03advil02 07* 0.30-a0-1126-gbeecc3cae0: refactor: generalize option case handling 10(7 weeks ago, 4 files, 50+ 68-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/beecc3cae0f4 06:51:23 03advil02 07* 0.30-a0-1127-g79a2db1cd2: refactor: make `split_parse` a bit more organized 10(7 weeks ago, 2 files, 81+ 61-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/79a2db1cd256 06:51:23 03advil02 07* 0.30-a0-1128-g0a6e7bf317: refactor: standardize some newgame options 10(7 weeks ago, 4 files, 83+ 32-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0a6e7bf31741 06:51:23 03advil02 07* 0.30-a0-1129-g2bd05cc0aa: feat: generalized means of disabling an option on a build 10(7 weeks ago, 3 files, 59+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2bd05cc0aa3e 06:51:23 03advil02 07* 0.30-a0-1130-g2a961404d8: refactor: convert `type` to a GameOption 10(7 weeks ago, 3 files, 32+ 24-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2a961404d839 06:51:23 03advil02 07* 0.30-a0-1131-g12f39dd2a6: refactor: convert remaining newgame opts to GameOption 10(6 weeks ago, 3 files, 92+ 66-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/12f39dd2a643 06:51:23 03advil02 07* 0.30-a0-1132-g16ca85fa0a: fix: deal with some gcc-specific build issues 10(6 weeks ago, 3 files, 17+ 11-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/16ca85fa0abd 06:51:23 03advil02 07* 0.30-a0-1133-g8116253f26: refactor: standardize some maybe_bool option handling 10(6 weeks ago, 3 files, 44+ 42-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8116253f26f7 06:51:23 03advil02 07* 0.30-a0-1134-g219cf69338: docs: update some option entries 10(6 weeks ago, 1 file, 19+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/219cf6933848 06:51:23 ... and 17 more commits 06:51:24 <06advil> > [crawl:master] 27 new commits (lol, accidental!) 06:51:52 <06advil> wonder why notchei gets slower over time 06:52:40 I haven't observed this but we have far fewer commits 06:57:13 -!- The topic of #crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | https://github.com/crawl/crawl | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/, temporarily http://crawl.akrasiac.org/logs/cheibriados/ | People with +v have commit access, devs on bridged discord as well | General Crawl-related chat to #crawl | Long stuff to a pastebin service, please 06:57:13 -!- The topic of #crawl is: Play Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup online now! 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Type ??online for instructions, ??lg / !lg for play stats | PM Sequell for long queries | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV game replays: ??footv for instructions | #crawl-dev for dev discussion, #crawl-offtopic for offtopic 06:59:25 fr go back in time to about 1999 and make "turns" be 10 auts, "moves" player actions 07:01:19 <10PleasingFungus> “i stayed in place but my move count increased?!” 07:02:15 advil will be pleased to learn that lici (original requester of rule) proposed we revert the rule and add *another* category for god high scores 07:04:31 PF: It's how NetHack does it, people manage (and it avoids the greater problem that there isn't a word for "10 auts" / "the period of time in which a normal speed-12 (NH) monster will act once" 07:04:44 <06advil> I guess the question is, would class high scores be dominated by me? 07:05:31 -!- ml_ is now known as randart 07:07:20 <10PleasingFungus> pinkbeast: dAut! 07:08:39 <10PleasingFungus> seems to me that ‘people manage’ either way :p 07:12:26 I got pretty confused early on and do find myself wanting a term that isn't as technical as dAut. (Indeed, if I say "there are 10 auts to the $THING", I can't say dAut, that's trivially true; and I certainly can't say dAut in "DCSS has ten auts to the Thing; NetHack doesn't actually have sub-Thing divisions, but if it did, there would be 12 to the Thing" 07:19:38 <06advil> hm, well the answer (to whether Me would have dominated the t0.29 class high scores) was kinda no, but meteoran would have definitely been in the lead. So it may well be that if Me were eligible, this would be an all-Me table. (The sentinel hs kind of suggests that.) Query results: https://gist.github.com/rawlins/a28beaff9a5b4e759b0a433077d4f324 07:24:25 <06advil> actually, the top 4 scores in that table are Me and they're ahead of everything else by like 2M+ points 07:24:38 <06advil> so I do think that if people had been trying to get Me class high scores, they would have 07:26:34 <10PleasingFungus> pinkbeast: i usually use the more casual term ‘normal turn’ or ‘average turn’ in that situation 07:26:46 <10PleasingFungus> really variable speed actions are the original sin here 07:27:43 floraline: people are seeing 502 (bad gateway) errors on cko when trying to look at morgues 07:53:15 <09gammafunk> Yep, although lici commented that purely looking at the high scores achieved (with non-me), people mostly didn't get compelling class high scores 07:54:25 <09gammafunk> Which is an argument in favor of not having the rule 08:03:41 <06advil> lol, s/2M/20M 08:03:50 <06advil> what's a compelling class hs? 08:10:17 <06advil> just eyeballing the cao scoring combo high scores (I guess there's no class hs table there??) I wouldn't say I could call these abnormally low 08:35:43 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.30-a0-1151-g36672149da (34) 09:06:32 <06advil> @PleasingFungus fyi I think this was wrong: https://www.reddit.com/r/dcss/comments/12vct3l/comment/jhb6t7s/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 09:18:30 <10PleasingFungus> nooo 09:18:32 <10PleasingFungus> oh well 09:18:33 <10PleasingFungus> moot 09:42:33 New branch created: nicolae_0423_vaultaic_pile (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/tree/nicolae_0423_vaultaic_pile 09:42:33 03nicolae02 07[nicolae_0423_vaultaic_pile] * 0.30-a0-1152-gf788acc757: Add a diverse assortment of Vaults vaults 10(3 minutes ago, 3 files, 1988+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f788acc75745 09:43:36 New branch created: pull/3100 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/3100 09:43:36 Branch pull/3100 updated to be equal with nicolae_0423_vaultaic_pile: 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/3100 09:52:19 <10PleasingFungus> nicolae: you may absolve yourself but i will never forgive you 10:20:15 03nicolae02 {GitHub} 07* 0.30-a0-1152-gd4795048de: Add a diverse assortment of Vaults vaults (#3100) 10(46 seconds ago, 3 files, 1988+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d4795048de2d 10:42:54 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.30-a0-1152-gd4795048de (34) 11:33:29 03ebering02 07* 0.30-a0-1153-gec78dead90: feat: print damage punctuation for arcjolt 10(48 seconds ago, 1 file, 13+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ec78dead90b8 11:38:01 <08nicolae> aw, fuck 11:38:18 <08nicolae> goddammit 11:38:24 <08nicolae> now i look like a scrub 11:38:44 03nicolae02 07* 0.30-a0-1153-g7c48da4bfe: Add a new Qazlal overflow altar vault 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 20+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/7c48da4bfea5 11:38:44 03nicolae02 07* 0.30-a0-1155-gf8af5b4991: Merge branch 'master' of github.com:crawl/crawl 10(78 seconds ago, 0 files, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f8af5b499173 11:39:47 <10PleasingFungus> now you’re a guy who can’t get no love 11:42:34 <08nicolae> 12:14:15 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.30-a0-1155-gf8af5b4991 (34) 15:24:42 Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.30-a0-1155-gf8af5b4991 (34) 17:09:28 <09gammafunk> Ban the merge commit maker! 17:10:36 <08nicolae> nooo 17:41:15 <09gammafunk> Btw did you have trouble testing those vaults rooms? Do you increase weight temporarily to place specific ones? 17:43:12 <08nicolae> yeah, i use WEIGHT: 10000 which works fine, although vaults_hard rooms and big rooms sometimes take a level regen or two to show up. i was briefly worried that i'd left a WEIGHT: 10000 in the final commit but i did not. the only problem i encountered was the one i mentioned before, where for some reason the vaults wouldn't get mirrored. i took a look at the various vault layout lua files and realized something important, which is that 17:43:13 i'm gonna need more prescription amphetamines if i want to understand that shit, because god damn 17:58:14 <09gammafunk> yeah, I've modified parts of it for dealing with e.g. ghost vaults, and it's difficult to work with in terms of predicting just how a vault will place 17:58:56 <09gammafunk> I'm not surprised it doesn't mirror vaults rooms at all, since I think it takes a very basic approach to placing rooms within layouts 17:59:14 <08nicolae> it rotates them though, so i wonder why it doesn't mirror them. is mirroring that much more complicated 17:59:41 <09gammafunk> but I haven't read the relevant code to see if it's even trying to do anything in that regard. it does have to match a vault entrance with the room entrance 18:20:47 <08nicolae> there's a section where it temporarily adds and then removes the no_rotate and no_Xmirror tags, but i read it late last night so i didn't follow all the logic 18:20:49 <08nicolae> layouts, man 18:20:53 <08nicolae> fuckin sorcerous 19:14:47 <09gammafunk> !lg senlim x=src 19:14:50 <04Cerebot> 362. [src=cpo] senlim the Charlatan (L1 DsAr), slain by a quokka on D:1 (mainiacjoe_arrival_reflecting_pool) on 2023-04-18 23:17:35, with 1 point after 34 turns and 0:00:12. 19:15:12 <09gammafunk> @advil error that the cpo player above showed in roguelikes discord: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/205316046230388737/1099870009318183012/image.png 19:15:24 <09gammafunk> I assume related to your recent merge 19:15:39 <09gammafunk> cpo rebuilds every 15 minutes so they may have hit something early 19:25:15 <06advil> ah hm 19:25:53 <06advil> I think that's harmless and will happen on an upgrade, old versions wrote those to prefs on a dgl build 19:26:56 <06advil> yeah, only happens on the first load after upgrade 19:27:39 <06advil> I guess people will be confused and alarmed 19:37:00 03advil02 07* 0.30-a0-1156-gc8ec674a0c: fix: disable some errors on dgl builds 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c8ec674a0ca8 19:55:46 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.30-a0-1156-gc8ec674a0c (34) 22:35:12 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.30-a0-1156-gc8ec674a0c (34) 22:58:01 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.30-a0-1156-gc8ec674a0c 22:59:04 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.30-a0-1157-g2cc9ac7196: Revert "fix: disable some errors on dgl builds" 10(75 seconds ago, 1 file, 3+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2cc9ac719617 22:59:06 <10PleasingFungus> @advil players reporting exciting issues with the options refactor, e.g. 22:59:07 <10PleasingFungus> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/747522859361894521/1099937542528319498/image.png 22:59:34 <10PleasingFungus> > why does [the game] show me this like whenever I use blink with z B 23:09:49 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.30-a0-1157-g2cc9ac7196 (34) 23:26:19 Duffy (L1 FoFi) ASSERT(o) in 'options.h' at line 335 failed. (D:1) 23:50:29 Unstable branch on cbro.berotato.org updated to: 0.30-a0-1157-g2cc9ac7196 (34) 23:54:54 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.30-a0-1157-g2cc9ac7196