00:15:34 Unstable branch on cbro.berotato.org updated to: 0.30-a0-702-gdf48620a09 (34) 00:54:15 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.30-a0-702-gdf48620a09 04:22:31 Experimental (bcrawl) branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.23-a0-4850-gd9e8576752 05:06:51 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.30-a0-702-gdf48620 (34) 09:01:53 <06advil> re forums, I also kind of agree that it would just add yet another thing to look at (and probably a million more emails knowing github); though with a side of GDD/CYC did used to serve a useful function that is not being served by anything right now 09:02:49 <06advil> that issue read to me like a thinly disguised "I don't want to deal with IRC", which from some perspective, fair enough I guess, but enabling an entire forum is not an immediate solution to that 09:03:06 <09hellmonk> Does GitHub forum have a thanks feature 09:05:15 <06advil> I bet it has emoji reacts 09:11:54 There's always Matrix if they don't want IRC 09:13:26 might even be able to gate Discord<->Matrix<->IRC if there's a Matrix gateway to whatever Discord server they're on. Or similar with Slack 09:16:03 (I'm mostly on IRC because I'm an op in a bunch of channels and op stuff is a real pain from matrix side; but I use matrix on my phone to talk on IRC) 09:17:54 <09gammafunk> I would easily get more 👍 than hellmonk 09:23:36 <06advil> yeah I was just about to post to suggest matrix 09:24:09 <06advil> imo matrix is still kinda weird and quirky to get going by modern standards but once it's set up it's fine 09:26:16 <06advil> I guess the biggest issue is that it seems to be very unreliable in knowing who is actually in a channel 09:27:19 don't you already have that problem with the discord gateway? 09:30:06 <10PleasingFungus> we have a secret /names function 09:30:13 <10PleasingFungus> to list irc side folx 09:35:24 <10PleasingFungus> dev secret: anything, no matter how mundane, sounds cooler if you prefix it with ‘secret’ 09:38:10 <06advil> yeah, the /names thing in discord is extremely accurate 09:38:37 <06advil> also tbh I'm almost always running irc too, I can just look 09:39:01 <09gammafunk> it's too accurate...it even passes through characters unmodified that induce markdown in discord :wfrShock: 09:39:20 I'm still hoping they finish the rust rewrite of the gateway; the python one gets really laggy 09:40:49 <09gammafunk> one thing I worry about re: our bridge is whether it will just stop working because it's not really maintained afaik. discord discontinued old versions of their api a while back, and this impacted the python discord module, which was ultimately fine since I could port e.g. cerebot to the new module that finally switched to the newest api version 09:41:16 <09gammafunk> but I'm not sure where we're at with the javascript bridge (my fork of the repo is https://github.com/gammafunk/discord-irc) 09:42:37 <09gammafunk> so it is possible that we'll need a new bridge solution some day, although I imagine there is a good one already or will be by the time we're forced to 09:43:29 <10PleasingFungus> hm, did we fix the issue with the bridge from the other day? 09:43:37 <10PleasingFungus> i guess we did 09:43:43 <09gammafunk> ??test 09:43:47 <09gammafunk> this issue? no 09:43:59 <09gammafunk> it's happening for channels that have write access for some reason 09:44:03 <10PleasingFungus> hm 09:44:16 <09gammafunk> you see same problem in #bot-commands on roguelikes discord 09:45:00 <09gammafunk> yeah I guess editing is just broken discord-side too 09:45:21 <09gammafunk> maybe greensnark reverted something with that last config reset 09:45:24 <09gammafunk> let me go poking 09:45:25 <06advil> maybe if that fails we could use a discord<->matrix bridge for extra complexity and fun 🤔 09:45:39 <06advil> do we really not have :gloweye: here 09:45:46 <09gammafunk> hah, nope! 09:46:01 <10PleasingFungus> you could change that… 09:46:02 <09gammafunk> but any dev (and of course any admin such as yourself) can change that 09:46:19 <06advil> I thought I added it already but I'm thinking of :thonk: 09:46:26 <10PleasingFungus> gamma: ty! 09:51:45 <06advil> hm that emoji seems to be specific to roguelikes, is it a done thing to just take it or should I ask permission? 09:55:04 <09gammafunk> good question. I think because discord doesn't review emotes (at least not for server-specific ones) and there are no finances directly involved, emote theft is fine 09:58:25 <10PleasingFungus> theft seems optimal 09:58:35 <10PleasingFungus> that’s what i did :content: 11:07:17 <05kate> hmm, looking at the hellmonk slime walls PR and it mentions that we'd discussed it being part of a larger slime rework including things like expanding the monster pool and changing level layouts. does it sound reasonable to still just merge the wall changes alone to start with? 11:07:43 <05kate> i guess making the level layouts a little less open so that rockslimes can trample you into the walls more would probably be good to go alongside it 11:09:27 <10PleasingFungus> we could also add in some uniques if we wanted to, though that might be bad theme or encourage clearing floors 11:10:04 <10PleasingFungus> that certainly isn’t a blocker though 11:10:13 <10PleasingFungus> in terms of merging hellmo pr first 11:13:06 <05kate> hmm yeah, adding some uniques back in does sound reasonable to me for a bit of variety 12:07:33 -!- kate-- is now known as kate- 12:17:35 <09gammafunk> !learn add test test 12:17:35 <04Cerebot> test[52/52]: test 12:18:43 <09gammafunk> ok, although something very weird is happening where specifically the Cerebot IRC nick (and that nick only) can't send non-restricted RELAY messages to Sequell, despite the acl configuration allowing it, I've switched Cerebot to use a nick that is working for now 12:19:15 <09gammafunk> seems like something happening on the Sequell end but I can't see any config that would cause this, everything on my side seems correct, so I'll need to contact greensnark 12:19:40 <09gammafunk> but for now, this will allow discord-side queries to work in channels that allow edits 12:19:48 <09gammafunk> ??:acl:proxy 12:19:50 <04Cerebot> :acl:proxy[1/1]: Kramell DIESELBOT Cerebot gammafunk TestSpawner 12:20:16 <09gammafunk> !learn set :acl:proxy Kramell DIESELBOT Cerebot TestSpawner 12:20:18 <04Cerebot> :acl:proxy[1/1]: Kramell DIESELBOT Cerebot TestSpawner 15:08:35 03Aliscans02 {kate-} 07* 0.30-a0-703-ga1440bf155: Record Wu Jian's Lunge and Whirlwind as CACT_ABIL, not CACT_INVOKE. 10(5 days ago, 3 files, 26+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a1440bf15584 15:08:35 03Aliscans02 {kate-} 07* 0.30-a0-704-g595c1f4b75: Extend the first column of the dump action count to 7 characters long. 10(6 weeks ago, 1 file, 14+ 15-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/595c1f4b75ce 15:08:35 03Aliscans02 {kate-} 07* 0.30-a0-705-g34404dee4a: Change the spelling of some words to Australian English. 10(6 weeks ago, 15 files, 39+ 37-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/34404dee4a49 15:08:35 03hellmonk02 {kate-} 07* 0.30-a0-706-ge3182b2870: feat: Rework slime walls 10(4 months ago, 7 files, 29+ 25-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e3182b287058 15:08:35 03kate-02 07* 0.30-a0-707-g5c07829312: Finish removing Flame Tongue 10(32 minutes ago, 18 files, 5+ 77-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/5c07829312b4 15:08:35 03kate-02 07* 0.30-a0-708-gbb11188b7b: Fix a typo in coding_conventions 10(4 hours ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/bb11188b7b7c 15:08:35 03kate-02 07* 0.30-a0-709-gcdc1b43e22: Give Dispater an extra adjective 10(9 hours ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/cdc1b43e2288 15:43:56 <|amethyst> advil: BTW, since you seem to be the most active /r/dcss mod, it was pointed out a few months ago that the sidebar Android link points to a version that is no longer available: https://www.reddit.com/r/dcss/comments/zpjdd9/ 15:49:22 NiggerDarts2 (L1 HuFi) Crash caused by signal #15: Terminated (D:1) 15:50:01 <09gammafunk> ah yes 15:50:16 <|amethyst> I'm, um, not so tempted to look at that crash report, given the username 15:50:36 <09gammafunk> yeah it's a troll that TZer0 undoubtedly just killed 16:20:22 <10PleasingFungus> dang, dispater buffs 16:21:10 <10PleasingFungus> i wonder why i didn’t do that originally 16:21:17 <10PleasingFungus> also rip flame tongue 16:24:59 Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.30-a0-709-gcdc1b43e22 (34) 16:45:01 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/593543753759719436/1066503541860077609/image.png 16:45:06 i have questions 16:45:33 like what are the odds of this happening, is there other parts of the dungeon, will i get stuck in them if i teleport into them 16:51:29 <09gammafunk> fairly small chance of it happening, sometimes the layout generators make something that's not very good, since determining a good layout is surprisingly non-trivial 16:52:05 <09gammafunk> you can sometimes get stuck in actual disconnected areas that arise from a bad vault placement where the level isn't properly vetoed and regenerated when those arise 16:52:15 should i waste a scroll trying to see if there's other parts of the level or just leave it 16:52:19 <09gammafunk> those you can report as a bug since we like to fix them 16:53:01 <09gammafunk> well every level in connected branches has exactly three stone upstairs (except if it's at the branch beginning) and three stone downstairs (except if it's at the branch ending) 16:53:16 <09gammafunk> so if you find all required stone stairs you know that it's likely you've seen the entire level 16:53:18 <09gammafunk> which is the case here 16:53:51 <09gammafunk> any additional level would require digging or a lucky hatch generation on the level above or below to access, so not really worth using an mmap 16:53:59 <09gammafunk> it's unlikely that more level even exists 16:54:22 <09gammafunk> but often you'll finish a level that seems small and you won't have found all the required stone stairs in both directions 16:54:23 yeah that's why i knew it was weird, it has all 3 of the up and down stairs 16:54:37 03|amethyst02 07* 0.30-a0-710-ga8c43d9988: Add another pop music quote. 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 10+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a8c43d998855 16:54:38 i've seen disconnected ones before but never ... this 16:54:38 <|amethyst> Yeah, if I'm not mistaken, anything that isn't connected to an up- or down-stair will be filled in by levgen 16:54:38 <09gammafunk> in which case checking the levels above and below is useful to find additional portions of the level 16:55:00 <|amethyst> and since this has all the stairs, probably the rest is just rock 16:55:10 <09gammafunk> vault placement can wreck havoc with that though 16:55:37 i'll check it out if i get extra mmaps but 16:55:42 <09gammafunk> but yeah I agree exceedingly unlikely that there's any meaningful additional level in this case 16:55:55 <09gammafunk> and you'd have to use dig to access it most likely even if so, so not worth 16:56:14 <|amethyst> superradish: which server is this, btw? 16:56:19 it's local 16:56:21 <09gammafunk> offline 16:56:22 <|amethyst> ah 16:56:28 <09gammafunk> can tell by screenshot that it's tiles 16:56:35 if you need a dump i'd be happy to provide it but i don't know how to do such 16:56:35 <|amethyst> of course 16:56:48 <09gammafunk> you could make a copy of the save actually 16:56:59 <09gammafunk> and report as an issue, never bad to have an issue reporting bad levels 16:56:59 there are certain interfact elements i like that i prefer to use that the online version doesn't have 16:57:05 <|amethyst> just make a copy of your save file (saves/radish.cs) 16:57:06 <09gammafunk> I think you can attach the save file to the issue? 16:57:21 i can't make an issue as i don't have an account 16:57:24 as far as i know 16:57:26 <|amethyst> yeah, I'm curious to load it up in wizmode and see whether there is anything else 16:57:35 <09gammafunk> well you can register a github account to do so, but yeah not a huge deal 16:57:47 <09gammafunk> it's an issue we're aware of certainly 16:57:47 oh i have one of those 16:58:04 let me see if i can make a copy to dump 16:59:12 i know it's nontrivial to generate dungeons, at the very least 17:04:04 03|amethyst02 07* 0.30-a0-711-gf4ac18a38d: And yet another quote. 10(71 seconds ago, 1 file, 8+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f4ac18a38d98 17:04:33 alright i might need some direction on where to put this save file because i keep getting distracted 17:07:03 <|amethyst> make a new issue at: https://github.com/crawl/crawl/issues 17:07:25 <|amethyst> then click on (at the bottom of the template): "Attach files by..." 17:07:28 <09gammafunk> superradish: Use the first issue template for "DCSS bug report", and per the instructions there, after filling out basic details for the title and the template, zip the .cs file and click the pan at the bottom of the message window to attach the zip file 17:07:41 <|amethyst> what gammafunk said 17:08:08 <09gammafunk> and s/pan/pane/ 17:10:30 s/pan/pane being on my own system yeah? 17:11:04 <|amethyst> BTW, speaking of github issues, IIRC there was a commit to explicitly make non-player-initiated moves stop things like Ozo's Armour. I can't find that commit at the moment, but if I'm not mistaken, someone should close this issue with a link: https://github.com/crawl/crawl/issues/2942 17:11:30 <|amethyst> superradish: that was just gammafunk saying they meant to say "pane" instead of "pan" 17:11:51 o sorry it looked like a directory heh 17:16:17 <|amethyst> also, I just noticed that dat/descript/quotes.txt is kind of inconsistent about whether capital letters should be collated before lowercase, or with them 17:16:40 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/issues/2953 17:16:43 enjoy 17:16:44 <|amethyst> not that it really matters, but consistency would be nice 17:19:16 <|amethyst> superradish: yeah, I can confirm that the tiny rectangle you found is, in fact, the entire level 17:20:36 lol 17:20:55 <09gammafunk> they're good levels, brent 17:22:38 <08wormsofcan> what is this, a dungeon floor for formicids? 17:24:11 <|amethyst> Doubly-true, since formicids are the race that can naturally make it into a real level 17:25:53 <09gammafunk> beware the drain cost 17:41:43 <|amethyst> s/the drain cost/its deadly dust 17:43:09 <|amethyst> was hoping to add a reference to that last quote from "A covering of ice", but sadly that doesn't appear to work 23:56:42 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.30-a0-711-gf4ac18a38d