00:14:50 Unstable branch on cbro.berotato.org updated to: 0.30-a0-365-ge7f957f1db (34) 00:54:25 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.30-a0-365-ge7f957f1db 01:31:16 Fork (bcrawl) on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.23-a0-4850-gd9e8576752 04:23:19 Experimental (bcrawl) branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.23-a0-4850-gd9e8576752 05:06:40 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.30-a0-365-ge7f957f (34) 11:27:00 03tnobley02 {GitHub} 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/2819 * 0.30-a0-368-g439b6d46a1: Merge branch 'crawl:master' into armor+spells-pac 10(51 seconds ago, 0 files, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/439b6d46a101 15:12:31 <06advil> @nicolae random question (brought on by discussion in a reddit thread), for nicolae_pan_bazaar_rune there's a guaranteed hostile pan lord, right? I guess one might think the rune announcement message implies there's a way not to fight it, which seems incorrect 15:13:19 <06advil> (Would it be too simple to just not place a pan lord in that vault, but keep the shopkeeper name pan-lord-y?) 15:16:48 <05kate> i argued for it to have a pan lord added, since the initial draft of the vault was a much lower threat level than the other guaranteed demonic rune vaults - i think it does need a pan lord to be suitable as a rune vault 15:17:43 <05kate> it does make the flavour a little awkward, maybe there's a different way the announcement message could be worded? 15:20:43 <06advil> maybe the threat level could be raised in some other way? it seems like it is strictly worse than other random panlord rune vaults if it's the same threat level as them + cost + no apport 15:24:45 <06advil> but yeah, it probably should be reworded if it stays the same 15:25:21 <06advil> this reddit poster seems to have actually thought that they skipped the fight because of the shop (where I suspect the pan lord must have just wandered off as they sometimes do) 15:32:09 <05kate> i guess probably all of the guaranteed rune vaults are strictly worse than the random ones if you're being ~optimal~ and just trying to get the rune with minimal risk but that's sort of a bigger problem with pan's structure (maybe 0.30 will be the version of finite pan!) 15:32:47 <06advil> yeah, I don't know that the variance here is much compared to other variance (holy pan etc) 15:34:16 <06advil> huh. something might be wrong with the pan lord naming here, after saving and reloading with this one in view he changed names from the vault-defined one 15:34:31 <06advil> I guess it, not he 15:37:14 <08nicolae> oh, weird 15:37:25 <06advil> changes descriptions completely in fact, though non-flavor stuff seems to not change 15:37:34 <08nicolae> bizarre 15:38:11 <06advil> it's possible that that stuff is actually determined by name, it has some weird way of seeding it 15:38:15 <08nicolae> tbf it always had a panlord, the threat level was the other monsters 15:38:35 <05kate> ahh right yeah, my mistake 15:39:38 <08nicolae> maybe the panlord could be wandering the outer ring rather than being right on the shop, giving you a chance to sneak by? 15:53:11 Smeargle (L1 HuHs) Crash caused by signal #6: Aborted (D:1) 16:20:19 <09gammafunk> wow, making it easier for players 16:20:51 <09gammafunk> more seriously, randlords are just not that dangerous on average, so putting one this place or that in the vault won't have much impact 16:22:09 <09gammafunk> pan-ready characters have a lot of firepower and a lot of tricks up their sleeves; randlords need to roll quite good spells/stats to make a dent 16:22:09 yeh, I'd just reword any involved message(s). it is Pan, after all 16:23:38 Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.30-a0-365-ge7f957f1db (34) 21:03:37 -!- jfcaron_ is now known as jfcaron