00:31:28 Fork (bcrawl) on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.23-a0-4797-g7d1cfc5502 03:22:56 Experimental (bcrawl) branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.23-a0-4797-g7d1cfc5502 05:07:02 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.30-a0-177-g1cb5dbf (34) 06:24:45 !crashlog 06:24:47 24736. phyphor, XL10 SpEn, T:9369 (milestone): https://crawl.kelbi.org/crawl/morgue/phyphor/crash-phyphor-20221002-034353.txt 06:25:13 !crashlog * -2 06:25:14 25911/25912. phyphor, XL10 SpEn, T:9369 (milestone): https://crawl.kelbi.org/crawl/morgue/phyphor/crash-phyphor-20221002-033112.txt 08:09:59 New branch created: spell_noise (4 commits) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/tree/spell_noise 08:10:03 03kate-02 07[spell_noise] * 0.30-a0-169-g45cb243643: Adjust dragon spell noisiness 10(19 hours ago, 2 files, 12+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/45cb243643b9 08:10:03 03kate-02 07[spell_noise] * 0.30-a0-170-gedb26b14ed: Adjust Arcjolt noise 10(79 minutes ago, 2 files, 3+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/edb26b14ed64 08:10:03 03kate-02 07[spell_noise] * 0.30-a0-171-g7b13fc5ee5: Make Malign Gateway's horrible noise audible 10(71 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/7b13fc5ee590 08:10:03 03kate-02 07[spell_noise] * 0.30-a0-172-gb0e127c928: Simplify noise on casting a spell 10(66 minutes ago, 6 files, 338+ 335-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b0e127c92879 08:11:27 <05kate> undecided on exactly how i'll handle zaps but i'm thinking of removing loudness from the zap_info struct and make them use the relevant spell's effect noise if it exists, be silent for enchantments/explosions (since those are handled separately), and otherwise just also use spell level directly again 08:12:19 <05kate> which i think probably makes a few monster zaps make noise on hitting you where they previously didn't, but that's probably fine 08:15:19 03kate-02 07[spell_noise] * 0.30-a0-173-g1d6ddda7ef: Fix compilation 10(79 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1d6ddda7ef2c 08:29:01 04Build failed for 08spell_noise @ b0e127c9 06https://github.com/crawl/crawl/actions/runs/3169063546 09:02:27 <10PleasingFungus> agreed, sounds fine 09:05:50 <10PleasingFungus> a good cleanup 🙂 09:16:17 <06advil> man, shopping list code 09:17:58 <06advil> that store crash is because shopping list id code can cause a level excursion in the middle of a purchase, which wipes out any later store item pointers 09:19:29 <10PleasingFungus> nice. 09:20:21 <06advil> not entirely sure how to fix, this whole thing is a big house of cards 09:27:18 <06advil> // Can happen if the price changes due to id status <- I guess this can probably still happen? 09:51:57 <06advil> man, this bug is brutal 10:13:28 <06advil> fully support my past self here 10:13:28 <06advil> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/747522859361894521/1026180126360215633/Screen_Shot_2022-10-02_at_1.12.45_PM.png 10:33:55 03advil02 07* 0.30-a0-178-g4db885d750: fix: don't do excursions during shopping list purchases 10(7 minutes ago, 4 files, 62+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4db885d750f6 11:01:15 <10PleasingFungus> wow 11:01:55 <10PleasingFungus> advil the goat 11:02:21 adwin config the fungus 11:05:21 <06advil> uh 11:14:45 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.30-a0-178-g4db885d750 (34) 11:16:26 <10PleasingFungus> oh, advil, while you're around 11:17:05 <10PleasingFungus> after immense and ridiculous amounts of bikeshedding, it's looking like armataur is going to be the final name of the reworked species & Ar is the abbreviation (i wanted AT but I was brutally bullied by my so-called friends and peers) 11:17:35 <10PleasingFungus> is that ok? i'm unhappy about aliasing artificer but i can't find another name/theme that's good and that doesn't alias 11:18:09 <08nicolae> call them Aa 11:18:13 <10PleasingFungus> glyptodont is fun but collides with gladiator, and dillotaur just has a lot of problems as a name 11:18:14 <08nicolae> ArmAtAur 11:18:27 <08nicolae> glyptodont = gp 11:18:32 <08nicolae> gp 11:18:34 <08nicolae> or gd 11:18:39 <08nicolae> GlyptoDont 11:18:48 <10PleasingFungus> none of those are going to be more acceptable than AT for armataur 😛 11:18:54 <10PleasingFungus> there was discussion of aarmataur/aurmataur, but those just seem worse to me 11:19:23 <08nicolae> plus then if someone is playing a glyptodont and they're hesitant about it we can be like "are you a glypto-don't or a glypto-do" and then they say "a glyptodont!" and ctrl-q yes 11:20:55 <10PleasingFungus> wow 11:21:41 <06advil> yeah, I guess Ar is probably the best of the bunch 11:22:15 <10PleasingFungus> think my reasons for the rename from palentonga still hold 11:26:18 <08nicolae> pangotaur 12:04:23 for the record I don't have a strong preference between Ar and At (At/Mi is a little displeasing but not a big deal), but AT is just wrong 12:16:19 <10PleasingFungus> oh, i don't care at all about At vs AT 12:16:32 <10PleasingFungus> happy to change it to At if that works for you 12:16:46 <10PleasingFungus> !specieswords At 12:16:51 <10PleasingFungus> !specieswords Ar 12:16:52 <04Cerebot> AtAE AtAr AtBe AtBr AtCA AtCK AtCj AtDe AtEE AtEn AtFE AtFi AtGl AtHW AtHs AtHu AtIE AtMo AtNe AtRe AtSu AtTm AtVM AtWn AtWr 12:16:55 <04Cerebot> ArAE ArAr ArBe ArBr ArCA ArCK ArCj ArDe ArEE ArEn ArFE ArFi ArGl ArHW ArHs ArHu ArIE ArMo ArNe ArRe ArSu ArTm ArVM ArWn ArWr 12:17:23 <10PleasingFungus> not a lot going on word wise either way 12:22:41 <12ebering> much more stronlgy in favor of Ar over At 12:23:05 <12ebering> really excited to streak ArAr DEDe FeFE HuHu 12:28:36 <09gammafunk> what does At/Mi refer to? 12:28:51 <09gammafunk> in terms of being displeasing 12:37:32 <10PleasingFungus> inconsistency with abbreviation 12:37:54 <10PleasingFungus> [Mi]notaur uses the first two letters, but [A]rma[t]aur treats 'taur' as the beginning of a separate word, sort of 12:38:12 <10PleasingFungus> That is, At follows [M]er[f]olk 12:38:24 <10PleasingFungus> ?/house style 12:38:25 <04Cerebot> Matching entries (1): devteam[26]: let me check our house style hm, looks like we're wildly inconsistent 12:40:04 <09gammafunk> I was guessing that but I thought of the exceptions we have like octopode so I figured it was something else, thanks 12:50:13 <10PleasingFungus> yeah, i think the point here is that armataur and minotaur are both taurs, so it's especially weird that they don't match 13:36:21 <09gammafunk> ah, that's true 15:24:02 Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.30-a0-178-g4db885d750 (34) 17:54:48 we used to have Ce too! but yeah, we aren't consistent about how to pick the second letter currently in one-word species names 17:55:11 (we are consistent about lowercasing it though) 17:56:07 [A]rmatau[r] 17:57:12 I think the only true way to fix this is to rename enough species so that they are all distinct first letters 17:58:00 When can we use more alphabets. I wanna play a σαῦρος. 17:58:38 (Yeah I know that's basically Dr, shush) 19:02:28 <09gammafunk> rename all things to work with one letter is elliptic's version of giant purging 19:07:44 <10PleasingFungus> sadly, the letter 'm' was already taken, so meteorans will simply have to go, 19:11:49 <09gammafunk> So will minotaurs. We have to remove them over merfolk to complete the mountain dwarf revenge arc. 19:15:00 <10PleasingFungus> wow 19:34:49 <09hellmonk> lol 19:37:37 <09hellmonk> where does meph cloud confuse duration for monsters get set? it calls apply_enchantment_to_monster but I can't find where enchantment power gets set for the beam. 19:41:13 !lg * current playable s=crace fmt:"${.}" o=-crace title:"" 19:41:16 Barachi, Deep Elf, Demigod, Demonspawn, Djinni, Draconian, Felid, Formicid, Gargoyle, Ghoul, Gnoll, Hill Orc, Human, Kobold, Merfolk, Meteoran, Minotaur, Mummy, Naga, Octopode, Ogre, Palentonga, Spriggan, Tengu, Troll, Vampire, Vine Stalker 19:41:36 renaming/removing D species is going to be carnage 19:41:56 demigod -> quartergod 19:42:27 deep elf -> elf 19:42:30 <10PleasingFungus> at least pa -> at isn’t making anything worse 19:42:35 yes 19:42:46 djinni -> ifrit 19:42:55 <10PleasingFungus> deep elf -> elf is the kind of bold thinking crawl needs more of 19:43:04 felid -> cat 19:43:18 ghoul -> zombie 19:43:25 (semigod also but quartergod is 100 times more funny) 19:43:26 hill orc -> orc 19:43:35 this is actually going sort of well 19:43:37 not a fan of not felid 19:43:45 <10PleasingFungus> oof, but the os are also impacted 19:43:53 oh, there are O's 19:43:54 I missed them 19:43:59 "oh" haha 19:44:15 okay, leave felid as is, formicid -> ant, leave palentonga as is 19:44:29 <10PleasingFungus> you could rename ogre to the japanese closest equivalent, oni 19:44:33 formicid as ant and being one of the biggest races is great 19:44:51 <10PleasingFungus> formicids are size medium 19:44:52 hill orc -> uruk, I'm sure nobody will sue us 19:45:05 still illegall!!!!! 19:45:18 or just say it's after the location 19:45:44 PF: they big in my mind because they hold two hand weapons in one hand 19:46:08 <10PleasingFungus> spiritually big 19:46:11 oh right, we can do hill orc -> cave orc now 19:46:35 <10PleasingFungus> cats and cave orcs, living together 19:46:46 vitamin d deficient orc 19:46:46 <10PleasingFungus> in a hole, p e t t i n g 19:47:05 Ant, Barachi, Cave Orc, Demonspawn, Draconian, Elf, Felid, Gargoyle, Gnoll, Human, Ifrit, Kobold, Merfolk, Meteoran, Minotaur, Mummy, Naga, Octopode, Ogre, Palentonga, Quartergod, Spriggan, Tengu, Troll, Vampire, Vine Stalker, Zombie 19:47:11 is where we are currently 19:47:13 (sorry, my sense of humor is broken, I've been doing homework since this morning and still have a ways to go :) ) 19:47:17 <10PleasingFungus> imo start by figuring out what species are q and x 19:47:22 I did Q! 19:47:28 <10PleasingFungus> ooh 19:47:30 <10PleasingFungus> you did 19:47:42 <09hellmonk> X for xenodwarf (once orc gets removed) 19:47:48 oh, we probably do octopode -> 8pode 19:47:59 ∞pode 19:47:59 since we need one numerical one anyway once we get 27 species 19:48:45 <10PleasingFungus> sure 19:49:28 demonspawn -> some made-up word beginning with X 19:49:29 <10PleasingFungus> JRUXY free? 19:49:42 Xinthrapod 19:49:47 also LW free 19:50:03 oh, lava orc is another option if we want C for something else 19:51:00 HW -> Wizard 19:51:52 minotaur -> yaktaur?? 19:51:59 that's kinda dope actually 19:52:05 I would support that 19:53:02 okay, how about meteoran -> lava orc 19:53:15 since they glow 19:54:38 Vampire -> revenant or lich 19:55:39 Troll -> Average reddit user 19:55:48 8pode, Ant, Barachi, Cave Orc, Demonspawn, Draconian, Elf, Felid, Gargoyle, Gnoll, Human, Ifrit, Kobold, Lava Orc, Merfolk, Mummy, Naga, Ogre, Palentonga, Quartergod, Revenant, Spriggan, Tengu, Troll, Vine Stalker, Yaktaur, Zombie 19:55:51 is the current list 19:56:15 actually maybe I'd rather turn mummy into revenant/lich 19:56:29 mm yeah, more semantically correct 19:56:31 or royal mummy?? 19:57:02 vine stalker is probably easy to move somewhere I guess 19:57:07 I like VS :( 19:57:18 very unique 19:57:34 If you do Felid -> Cat then Tengu -> Flying Cat!! 19:57:42 vine stalker -> jungle stalker 19:57:52 okay you got me there, that's still quite cool 19:59:03 <09hellmonk> the bcrawl guy will call us thieves if you do this one 19:59:44 8pode, Ant, Barachi, Cave Orc, Demonspawn, Elf, Felid, Gargoyle, Gnoll, Human, Ifrit, Jungle Stalker, Kobold, Lava Orc, Merfolk, Naga, Ogre, Palentonga, Quartergod, Royal Mummy, Spriggan, Tengu, Troll, Vampire, Xtahuaspawn, Yaktaur, Zombie 19:59:47 just a couple more 20:00:45 So many low effort jokes for Troll 20:00:59 <09hellmonk> War gargoyle 20:00:59 <09hellmonk> clearly 20:01:01 ooh 20:01:24 so just need a U now 20:01:32 out of tengu/troll (or reshuffling other things) 20:01:35 Unicorn when 20:02:18 Also Demonspawn is in that list as well as Xtahuaspawn? 20:02:31 xtahuaspawn is draconian 20:02:37 it's pretty questionable but 20:03:09 <09gammafunk> I assume these changes will all be made in an upcoming qwqwcrawl fork 20:03:41 it's a proof of concept 20:03:55 we'll all have to suffer with knowing that species/background names could be so much better 20:04:16 POCs must be perfect 20:04:49 maybe I'll do troll -> cave troll and orc -> uruk 20:05:11 8pode, Ant, Barachi, Cave Troll, Demonspawn, Elf, Felid, Gnoll, Human, Ifrit, Jungle Stalker, Kobold, Lava Orc, Merfolk, Naga, Ogre, Palentonga, Quartergod, Royal Mummy, Spriggan, Tengu, Uruk, Vampire, War Gargoyle, Xtahuaspawn, Yaktaur, Zombie 20:05:56 <09hellmonk> good, then underground dwarf will work once i replace orc 20:06:00 <09hellmonk> perfect, no notes 20:06:16 <09hellmonk> also how tf is teleother still in the game 20:06:18 honestly with a little more work could probably get a "reasonable" list 20:08:14 <08nicolae> just give them all numbers 20:08:29 Or all emojis 20:08:44 It'll market well to younger generations too 20:09:12 <08nicolae> brilliant 20:09:39 <08nicolae> i won a 🐮😡 (formerly known as a minotaur berserker) 20:10:06 <08nicolae> 🗿🪨 20:10:17 <08nicolae> 🧝🎇 20:12:06 🐙,🐜,🐸,😈,👹,🧝,🐈‍⬛,🧑,🧞,🌾,🧜,¼,🦋,🧟‍♀️,🧛 20:12:08 just sayin 20:12:18 <09hellmonk> loading up my 🌂 🪥 20:12:32 <09hellmonk> casting ⭕ 🍨 20:13:04 <08nicolae> i do not know what those mean 20:13:08 <09hellmonk> dying to 🐦 ⏩ 20:13:19 hellmonk is more of a teen than I am apparently 20:13:28 <08nicolae> kids these days 20:14:00 I get hailstorm but that's it 20:16:43 New branch created: pull/2761 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/2761 20:16:44 03JoeyDonutT02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/2761 * 0.30-a0-179-gecd8af8130: modify cheibrodos_swamp_tower_of_moss to replace wall with shallow_water Change dream_sheep AT_BITE to AT_HEADBUTT 10(7 minutes ago, 4 files, 5+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ecd8af8130a2 20:18:38 oh Caustic shrikes 20:21:20 <08nicolae> how do you get ⏩ from caustic though 21:06:04 they fast 21:14:28 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.30-a0-179-gba81c3259c: Rename Palentonga to Armataur 10(3 months ago, 42 files, 91+ 91-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ba81c3259c70 21:14:28 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.30-a0-180-geb9d758594: Remove Rolling Charge 10(5 weeks ago, 17 files, 8+ 347-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/eb9d75859460 21:14:28 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.30-a0-181-g2a6e7f69e1: New spell: Vhi's Electric Charge (L3 Tloc/Air) 10(4 weeks ago, 19 files, 385+ 51-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2a6e7f69e180 21:14:28 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.30-a0-182-gc40470cdd7: Give Armataurs Rollpage 10(5 weeks ago, 8 files, 48+ 14-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c40470cdd7a1 21:14:28 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.30-a0-183-gf2e57c08ab: Add 'tongue' Armataur mutations 10(5 weeks ago, 10 files, 107+ 47-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f2e57c08abe7 21:14:28 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.30-a0-184-gce2a380349: Cut Armataur Curl 10(4 days ago, 10 files, 9+ 84-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ce2a38034985 21:14:28 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.30-a0-185-gd62a825edf: Rework Armataur aptitudes 10(5 weeks ago, 3 files, 34+ 31-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d62a825edf2c 21:47:07 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.30-a0-185-gd62a825edf (34) 22:06:55 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.30-a0-186-g105a1d9ad3: Fix Armataur manual abbreviation (elliptic) 10(42 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/105a1d9ad33e 22:07:04 <10PleasingFungus> @Sastreii haven't had energy to merge your armataur sprite (also slightly sad by loss of beefy old one), but haven't forgotten it 22:10:05 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.30-a0-187-gd9c2deaf24: Improve low-power Lesser Beckoning 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d9c2deaf2494 22:10:47 <13Sastreii> You want beefy armataur? You’ll get it 22:10:59 <10PleasingFungus> lmao 22:11:03 <10PleasingFungus> i’m ready. 22:18:36 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.30-a0-187-gd9c2deaf24 (34) 22:34:57 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.30-a0-187-gd9c2deaf24 (34) 22:56:55 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.30-a0-187-gd9c2deaf24 23:51:13 Unstable branch on cbro.berotato.org updated to: 0.30-a0-187-gd9c2deaf24 (34) 23:54:31 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.30-a0-187-gd9c2deaf24