00:48:12 Fork (bcrawl) on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.23-a0-4797-g7d1cfc5502 02:02:04 <05kate> ash losing astral vision would be a bit sad in that it emphasises even more that ash is just sort of boringly good (but yeah, working around all the assumptions how los works for it is awkward) 02:02:21 <05kate> i'd definitely like to tone down the skill boosts a fair bit more and move some of that power elsewhere though 03:22:51 Experimental (bcrawl) branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.23-a0-4797-g7d1cfc5502 03:51:48 <12ZureaL> @gammafunk thanks, keys updated 03:56:18 <09gammafunk> @ZureaL thank you! 05:30:26 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.30-a0-165-g1891117 (34) 05:50:05 this borgnjor's mausoleum wizlab quite consistently gives lua errors 05:50:13 notify_dgn_event: Lua error: [string "global_prelude"]:339: attempt to index 05:50:14 local 'mon' (a nil value) 05:50:24 every time I clear it this seems to happen at least once 05:50:45 I think maybe when I kill a halazid warlock that has already summoned? 08:47:15 -!- ssm__ is now known as ssm_ 10:18:01 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.30-a0-166-g5d06c95188: Continue to ruin ebering's vision (Monkooky) 10(63 seconds ago, 1 file, 0+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/5d06c95188bd 10:37:12 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.30-a0-166-g5d06c95188 (34) 11:14:37 I suggest putting the starting skill points from reaver into armour instead of dodging since you start with a leather armour and I guess it shaves of a a % or so from your spell success with I suppose you kinda care about 11:16:32 Source: I played it for like 10 minutes 11:45:16 Reaver is also terrible but you already knew that. Very cool concept though 11:49:01 -!- Yermak_ is now known as Yermak 11:55:47 <10PleasingFungus> attached is the effect of moving reavers' 2 dodging skill into armour 11:55:48 <10PleasingFungus> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/747522859361894521/1024756325063868467/unknown.png 11:55:48 <10PleasingFungus> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/747522859361894521/1024756325479088168/unknown.png 11:55:59 <10PleasingFungus> this isn't a shitpost. i actually did it, as a test 11:57:36 <09hellmonk> do they lose an ev 11:59:46 <09hellmonk> assume hure was used for the test since it will depend on str and int to some degree, but not surprised to see no change for a 3er armor at that low skill 12:01:13 <10PleasingFungus> yes, hure 12:01:26 that's a bad word in German btw 12:01:33 <10PleasingFungus> and yeah they lose an ev 12:01:44 <10PleasingFungus> what makes you think reaver is "terrible"? i don't understand that, sorry 12:14:16 <08nicolae> i believe the current goal is that at least 70% of species/background abbreviations are bad words in some language 12:18:22 <10PleasingFungus> we're fine with 69% 12:27:21 @PleasingFungus "Hybridization" has always been a tricky prospect in crawl and "hybrid" starts in particular. It's by no means impossible to pull it off but you need a good portion of cunning to make it work. But first things first. Reaver starts with an unenchanted simple weapon and an unenchanted leather armour and no consumable. This, in today's 12:27:22 modern day and age, is not a great start. Also, no disengage option which is kinda important nowadays. Remember that the first D:1 quakka is a life-or-death struggle (let's leave spells out of the picture for the moment). Then we have all the usual problems that gish characters face. Armour encumbrance means that you can choose between terrible AC 12:27:22 for a long time or nuking your spell %. You are by definition M.A.D. and your skills are all over the place which is made worse by having like 3 spell schools. 12:27:23 There are various way to fix this like ash and chei (at a massive cost) or slapping gnoll on it but the latter is the quick-fix lazy solution so I'm not terribly fond of it. There are more ofc, but the thing is even getting to that point. 12:27:23 But what if I hear you say, you just focus on one thing first like a sane person would do? Well that kinda defeats the purpose the starting kit if you are not gonna use 90% of it. But then there's also the massive restrictions on the spells. You can invest in your 1-trick spells and be terrible at regular melee wich you are alrady not great at... 12:27:24 and you can still only use them once because of the massive downsides. That momentum spell being able to miss is just adding insult to injury... Hail Storm might as well not be in the book because you can't afford such a massive investment when you are so weak. Or you go the other route and focus on melee (which you really don't want in the early 12:27:24 game because it's very much flipping coins early on) which then defaets the purpose of having access to spells. 12:27:25 If someone wanted to live out their "fantasy" fo a "black knight" that mixes melee and magic, Hedge Wizard is definitely the way to go as a starting point and pulls off what Reaver is trying to do so much better atm... poison mage and maybe even necromancer also make for better reavers imho. 12:31:02 makes me remember pre-gnoll skalds *shudder* 12:32:05 But that's my average player opinion Maybe some pro will show up and deliver a 100 Naga Reaver win streak so who knows 12:33:58 Ignis follower is also a better reaver because scorch is very decent and you start with a branded weapon. and well, a god. please fix the super low dex spread though ty 12:54:36 But remember the frosty welcome that Gozag got way back when and after many changes and shifts in the meta he ended up being top brass. Maybe reaver will be the same. Started out washing dishes and worked all the way to the very top of backgrounds 12:57:42 @PleasingFungus I had a great idea under the shower for more self-crippling spell goodness: permanent mp loss. DDs are gone so they won't miss it! Starting to feel like a whole new school of masochism spells will come from this reaver concept.... blood magic the dream?! Coming 2025 13:12:13 Yeah also don't swap armour and dodging then when they lose an EV that was a terrible idea on my part then 14:30:38 <09gammafunk> @ZureaL > Your connection is not private Attackers might be trying to steal your information from cbro.berotato.org (for example, passwords, messages, or credit cards). Learn more NET::ERR_CERT_COMMON_NAME_INVALID Getting this error from https://cbro.berotato.org/ 14:31:03 <10PleasingFungus> t-minutiae: thanks for the long writeup! feedback from other playtesters has been quite different - as you said, we'll see how it shakes out. 🙂 15:00:56 <12ZureaL> @gammafunk what's weird is, if you go to https://cbro.berotato.org:8443, it's fine, the cert is what's there. So somehow, my ngnix configuration is presenting the wrong cert, so I'm trying to figure out wtf happened there. All I did was update the cert file and restart ngnix and normally, that JUST WORKS. 15:06:38 "This server could not prove that it is cbro.berotato.org; its security certificate is from *.skepticalfamily.com. This may be caused by a misconfiguration or an attacker intercepting your connection." 15:06:59 <12ZureaL> that should not be the cert being presented for this connection 15:07:36 <12ZureaL> that is also one of my certs, but not for cbro 15:23:37 Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.30-a0-166-g5d06c95188 (34) 15:46:39 <12ZureaL> Okay, that was a little frustrating, but fixed now. the linuxserver/nginx version updated to the latest version and they changed how site-confs works, all files have to end with .conf. It used to be any file in site-confs was enough to use. So I renamed my file to end in .conf 15:48:19 <09gammafunk> nice, thanks for fixing it! 15:48:23 <09gammafunk> looks like it's loading for me now 15:48:36 makes sense, you don't want it loading e.g. editor backup files 15:54:04 <12ZureaL> oh yea, I totally get it, it was just unexpected 🙂 20:25:45 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.30-a0-167-g62a5988fa7: Don't arcjolt rElec+++ enemies 10(49 seconds ago, 1 file, 3+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/62a5988fa70a 20:33:57 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.30-a0-167-g62a5988fa7 (34) 20:54:06 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.30-a0-168-g0b976cbdc4: Clean up Momentum Strike's -Move 10(2 minutes ago, 12 files, 32+ 30-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0b976cbdc42e 21:25:39 03PleasingFungus02 07[armataur-hour] * 0.30-a0-169-g97728baa5f: Rename Palentonga to Armataur 10(3 months ago, 42 files, 91+ 91-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/97728baa5f82 21:25:39 03PleasingFungus02 07[armataur-hour] * 0.30-a0-170-g40149961d8: Remove Rolling Charge 10(4 weeks ago, 17 files, 8+ 347-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/40149961d8a2 21:25:39 03PleasingFungus02 07[armataur-hour] * 0.30-a0-171-gc169dcc7c6: Upgrade Armataur magic and throwing aptitudes 10(4 weeks ago, 1 file, 9+ 9-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c169dcc7c6c1 21:25:39 03PleasingFungus02 07[armataur-hour] * 0.30-a0-172-ge25d075450: Add a 'nimble tongue' Armataur mutation 10(4 weeks ago, 8 files, 30+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e25d07545062 21:25:39 03PleasingFungus02 07[armataur-hour] * 0.30-a0-173-g7fd023bfd8: Give Armataurs Rollpage 10(4 weeks ago, 8 files, 39+ 13-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/7fd023bfd88d 21:25:39 03PleasingFungus02 07[armataur-hour] * 0.30-a0-174-gcf627f6a3f: More Armataur tweaks 10(4 weeks ago, 3 files, 13+ 11-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/cf627f6a3f41 21:25:39 03PleasingFungus02 07[armataur-hour] * 0.30-a0-175-g4a2708bcb8: New spell: Vhi's Electric Charge (L3 Tloc/Air) 10(4 weeks ago, 17 files, 384+ 51-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4a2708bcb8c3 21:25:39 03PleasingFungus02 07[armataur-hour] * 0.30-a0-176-g83e628e1a5: Electric Charge tile (Sastreii) 10(75 seconds ago, 2 files, 2+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/83e628e1a5d2 21:25:39 Branch pull/2720 updated to be equal with armataur-hour: 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/2720 21:29:51 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.30-a0-168-g0b976cbdc4 (34) 21:31:46 04Build failed for 08armataur-hour @ 83e628e1 06https://github.com/crawl/crawl/actions/runs/3148627014 21:42:27 03PleasingFungus02 07[armataur-hour] * 0.30-a0-177-geb3c367912: Actually add electric charge tile (Sastreii) 10(37 seconds ago, 1 file, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/eb3c36791261 21:42:27 Branch pull/2720 updated to be equal with armataur-hour: 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/2720 21:59:14 03PleasingFungus02 07[armataur-hour] * 0.30-a0-178-g24e789faeb: Rework Armataurs' tongues (elliptic) 10(11 minutes ago, 10 files, 73+ 55-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/24e789faebad 21:59:14 03PleasingFungus02 07[armataur-hour] * 0.30-a0-179-g7a29bae20a: Cut Armataur Curl 10(61 seconds ago, 10 files, 9+ 84-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/7a29bae20ada 21:59:14 Branch pull/2720 updated to be equal with armataur-hour: 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/2720 22:34:56 03PleasingFungus02 07[geez-louise] * 0.30-a0-166-g03dfc4bc48: Give Lugonu wrath protection 10(56 seconds ago, 4 files, 39+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/03dfc4bc4855 23:16:40 04Build failed for 08geez-louise @ 03dfc4bc 06https://github.com/crawl/crawl/actions/runs/3148878605 23:47:09 Unstable branch on cbro.berotato.org updated to: 0.30-a0-168-g0b976cbdc4 (34)