00:10:51 Stable (0.29) branch on cbro.berotato.org updated to: 0.29.0-0-gb128a472f7 00:36:51 Fork (bcrawl) on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.23-a0-4778-g1c48639af6 02:04:24 greasedhog (L3 GrTm) ASSERT(you.inv[invidx].defined()) in 'invent.cc' at line 425 failed. (D:1) 03:22:40 Experimental (bcrawl) branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.23-a0-4778-g1c48639af6 04:03:47 <09gammafunk> sorry, was really referring specifically to the tagging part, but that's fair that the CDO part both requires special access and is probably less clearly written than the rest (since it's a reference for people who have said access) 04:04:34 <09gammafunk> might be good to update that and give PF cdo access 04:05:20 <09gammafunk> by tagging part I mean the tagging and git release. however doing those without updating the website is indeed not a very complete release 05:02:24 <06advil> lol 05:04:51 <06advil> Some aspects of the website instructions iirc are that it has some alex magic we aren’t really using any more 05:06:28 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.30-a0-23-ge60ba35 (34) 05:59:48 <06advil> hm does #2686 merit a patient response 06:07:25 I believe "patches welcome" is the conventional way to express "fuck off" in this context 06:08:02 <06advil> yeah, fair 06:08:18 <06advil> though tbh part of what is making me hesitating is that this person looks fairly unpleasant to deal with 06:08:30 <06advil> *hesitate 06:08:36 (also while sure I struggle to find things in the source, I think "this source file is too big, should be split up" and "there are too many source files" suggests a certain confusion of idead) 06:09:49 https://github.com/battlelinegames/nes-starter-kit/issues/4 is interesting 06:20:28 <06advil> well, tbf their source file size complaint was about main.cc, which is not a file that really lines up with c++ norms 06:29:03 <09hellmonk> Miss the old enum file tbh 06:30:34 <09hellmonk> If there's a list of stuff that needs better documentation I could take a stab at some of it. Good activity to do when not in the mood for serious code, much like vault design. 06:31:35 <06advil> misc2.cc 06:32:55 <06advil> re documentation, it's sort of take your pick, but it is true that afaik there's no documentation of the main game loop, or things like how startup works, which is maybe what they're looking for 06:33:18 <06advil> I'm not super clear that that is actually the thing that will help new coders, but it would be useful to have 06:33:50 <06advil> hm, maybe what we need is the list of things to be documented 😄 06:33:55 <06advil> itself 06:36:10 Sasin0 (L10 OgBe) Crash caused by signal #6: Aborted (D:7) 07:14:33 <06advil> !crashlog 07:14:36 <04Cerebot> 24586. Sasin0, XL10 OgBe, T:10198 (milestone): https://crawl.kelbi.org/crawl/morgue/Sasin0/crash-Sasin0-20220824-133547.txt 07:58:35 <06advil> hm, unfortunate that Rift just shows as b) +8 demon trident {distort, reach+} in the hud 08:06:25 <10PleasingFungus> heh, we’ve looked at the same issue 08:07:07 <10PleasingFungus> do think we could do a better job of calling out unrands from randarts generally, if we wanted 08:07:58 <10PleasingFungus> players will do ??fugrhyup on the one hand, and then assume rift is just a randart on the other 08:09:30 <06advil> I can't actually figure out what the range issue is, though they did get confused at some point in the backlog 08:10:43 <06advil> ok, it's not that 08:16:15 Stable (0.29) branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.29.0-0-gb128a472f7 08:24:01 is python 3 finally required? 08:24:52 <08nicolae> display as a different color, like the mmorpgs do 08:25:27 <10PleasingFungus> i mean, i don’t see why we couldn’t 08:25:31 <08nicolae> not sure which color would work best but it seems like the simplest solution 08:26:29 <13Sastreii> There’s no orange text atm right? I think a bright orange could fit 08:26:41 iirc some unrands already do have a special color that appears there? 08:27:10 <10PleasingFungus> question is whether we want to pretend randarts and unrands are the same category of item 08:27:13 <10PleasingFungus> which we sort of do now 08:27:41 <10PleasingFungus> @Sastreii sadly dcss is a 90s game that thinks it’s an 80s game, so we only have 16 colors and orange isn’t one of em 08:27:45 I think it's probably ok in general in that the unrands do have custom descs 08:27:53 <10PleasingFungus> yeah 08:28:31 <10PleasingFungus> @advil wdym re special color? i think we’re talking about item name, not glyph 08:28:32 <10PleasingFungus> fwiw 08:29:36 <06advil> in this case I'm pretty sure there's enough horiz space to just custom-add Rift without the quotes that usually show up 08:30:25 <09hellmonk> make them etc_chaos 08:30:35 <06advil> I think I may be thinking of etc_chaos 08:31:21 <10PleasingFungus> imo replace reach+ with rift or rifting 08:31:27 <10PleasingFungus> spicier 08:31:32 <06advil> or do something like Rift {+8, ...}, since it looks like this issue applies to all the Demon X unrands 08:32:35 floraline: I haven't intentionally broken py27 yet, but I am calling it deprecated now (since cao is now on py3 and I haven't been reliably testing py27 any more) 08:32:44 did something break, or are you just asking for info's sake? 08:32:55 if something broke I can probably still fix it 08:33:18 <08nicolae> maybe, but what about for other unrands? that's why i suggested just tweaking the color, you don't have to worry about spacing 08:33:22 floraline see also https://github.com/crawl/crawl/issues/2674 if you haven't already 08:33:49 a lot of them show something indicating their specialness in the hud I think? 08:34:14 <06advil> e.g. Q) +13 scythe of Curses {drain, Drain} 08:34:47 <08nicolae> what are the current colors? light gray is Regular. white is Randart. purple is Risky Consumables. yellow is Emergency Consumables. dark gray is Unusable. red is God Says No. cyan is Really Good Consumable. 08:35:24 <06advil> PF and I were talking about this one specifically because there is a report where I suspect that if something had been in the hud, the player would've more clearly indicated the item, not sure color would fix the exact issue 08:35:43 <06advil> right now I believe both unrands and randarts get (bright?) white 08:37:04 <08nicolae> yep 08:37:07 <10PleasingFungus> blue for ego 08:37:13 <08nicolae> oh right yeah 08:37:20 <08nicolae> green for enchanted 08:37:21 <06advil> https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dat/defaults/menu_colours.txt has them all 08:38:34 <10PleasingFungus> so what colors are left and or should we change any existing ones? 08:38:44 <10PleasingFungus> eg cursed items 08:39:11 <06advil> still applies to ash chars I think 08:40:04 <08nicolae> assuming dangerous is magenta and god-hated is red, by default, then what's left is black, dark blue, brown, light green, light cyan 08:40:46 <08nicolae> maybe light cyan? bright like the existing rand coloration, cyanish like experience and acquirement (something rare and special) 08:41:29 <08nicolae> (looks like enchanted stuff is light blue, not dark blue) 08:41:50 <10PleasingFungus> advil: yes, but not sure red is an appropriate color for new curses 08:41:57 <10PleasingFungus> since they’re mostly positive 08:45:49 <10PleasingFungus> anyway, light cyan sounds reasonable to me 08:55:50 <08nicolae> turns out that even the colorblind can make color choices if you limit them to 16 options 09:04:15 <12ebering> suggest unrand -> lightcyan 09:04:48 <12ebering> ash's console colour is lightred so I felt it was ok to keep that 09:04:53 <12ebering> (in console anyway) 09:05:58 <10PleasingFungus> heh 09:08:55 <10PleasingFungus> way back, i had an ash redesign draft in which cursed items gave downsides, not upsides. but i think ru already sacrificed that design space 09:16:26 <10PleasingFungus> anyway, lightcyan unrands for 0.30 09:16:38 <10PleasingFungus> now we just need to release 0.29 09:17:52 <10PleasingFungus> i guess the changelog release date is wrong now 09:19:11 advil: thank you, i want to get python updated but i don't entirely understand how the chroot is involved with that upgrade 09:19:38 nothing's broken yet, i just wanted to check before i rebooted the web service 09:20:29 i'm planning to reboot and treat it like any other update 09:22:09 <09gammafunk> Then how do you explain ??hill giant ?! 09:22:18 <09gammafunk> ??hill giant 09:22:19 <04Cerebot> hill giant[1/1]: Big orange C with big orange clubs that hit for big orange damage and can be big orange trouble in melee. Sometimes carries a big orange throwing net. Big orange removed in 0.20. 09:22:29 <10PleasingFungus> clearly inexplicable 09:22:51 <10PleasingFungus> !clap brown isn’t orange 09:22:51 <04Cerebot> 👏 brown 👏 isn’t 👏 orange 👏 09:23:38 <09gammafunk> You’re claiming to know the properties of dungeon electromagnetism 09:24:06 <09gammafunk> There are arbitrary units of orange 09:24:18 <10PleasingFungus> dungeon electromagnets play a key role in my next maxwell unrand design 09:24:29 <09gammafunk> Nice 09:31:01 Webtiles server stopped. 09:35:45 Webtiles server started. 09:36:52 <12ebering> It's tagged, if the annoucement blog post and fanfare is a day late well 09:37:01 <12ebering> the true fans got it yesterday and the rest get what they get 09:37:08 CKO should be good to go for 0.29 09:38:42 <09gammafunk> Thanks! 09:40:20 <09gammafunk> If you’re not aggressively and constantly doing git pull to get the latest tags, you’re no true dcss player imo 09:52:39 floraline: the one py3/tornado 6/chroot caveat is that you may need to ensure that your python lib is duplicated into the chroot in the same directory (especially tornado). But py3 itself doesn't need to be there 09:53:41 so e.g. on cao, I have just cp -R'd /usr/local/lib/python3.10 into /chroot/usr/local/lib/python3.10 (non-standard dgl chroot location, yours is probably in ~crawl) 09:53:51 It may be that this only matters for tornado 09:54:14 gruffalo (L9 HuFi) ASSERT(you.inv[invidx].defined()) in 'invent.cc' at line 425 failed. (D:6) 09:54:22 !crashlog 09:54:23 24588. gruffalo, XL9 HuFi, T:5451 (milestone): https://underhound.eu/crawl/morgue/gruffalo/crash-gruffalo-20220824-165413.txt 09:56:23 <06advil> that's unfortunate 09:59:16 advil: thanks. i'm pretty sure i'm on a rather old version of tornado actually, with some custom patches. so who knows how that transition is going to go 09:59:35 <06advil> for python 3, you will need to update tornado, and should just install it from pip 10:00:14 <06advil> most likely the current ver is in a custom path and so as long as your PYTHONPATH is correct (check the init.d/webtiles script) the old version shouldn't interrupt 10:01:13 ah yeah i have PYTHONPATH in init.d/webtiles pointing at my custom tornado 10:01:52 <06advil> ok, yeah I would just comment that out for now, install current tornado from pip, and see if it works 10:01:58 <06advil> do you know how to use live debug mode? 10:02:06 <06advil> useful for testing this stuff out 10:04:28 <06advil> gonna have to break the purity of 0.29.0 already 10:04:40 03advil02 07* 0.30-a0-24-g5e824e72be: fix: fix a webtiles log message 10(73 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/5e824e72bea1 10:04:40 03advil02 07* 0.30-a0-25-gacc37e2db0: fix: don't crash on ' in pickup 10(61 seconds ago, 1 file, 13+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/acc37e2db082 10:05:43 03advil02 07[stone_soup-0.29] * 0.29.0-1-g3c20cbc1e5: fix: don't crash on ' in pickup 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 13+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3c20cbc1e557 10:05:59 <06advil> I suppose it is too late to just like move the tag 😄 10:16:06 <10PleasingFungus> that’s between you and your rabbi 10:16:15 <10PleasingFungus> (or denominational equivalent) 10:17:15 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.30-a0-25-gacc37e2db0 (34) 10:20:49 iirc tags are effectively read only in git, and removing/recreating is on the same level of pain as a force push to master 10:31:19 floraline hm looks like cko is still down and I'm about to step away from my computer few a few hours, anything I can answer quickly before? 12:15:47 Webtiles server stopped. 12:15:58 Webtiles server started. 12:16:09 i didn't realize it was down, looks like webtiles crashed 12:17:19 ERROR: You are running a deprecated version of tornado; please update to at least version 4. 12:17:23 this probably doesn't help 12:46:34 webtiles seems to be working in python3 using live debug, you're right that was pretty useful 12:47:31 with tornado 6.2, i'll try it out next time i need to restart webtiles 13:21:32 -!- jfcaron_ is now known as jfcaron 15:24:02 Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.30-a0-25-gacc37e2db0 (34) 16:28:40 <09gammafunk> Ah the helpful code reorganiser is back with more suggestions 16:36:30 <10PleasingFungus> i feel like i'm missing out on something exciting 16:36:49 <10PleasingFungus> is this a commit comment thing 16:37:07 <09gammafunk> @PleasingFungus https://github.com/crawl/crawl/issues/2686 16:37:18 <10PleasingFungus> lmao 16:37:20 The one thing I don't disagree with there (though there might be a reason for this) is that some subdirectories in source/ would be rather nice. 16:37:24 <10PleasingFungus> > poor code quality 16:37:26 <10PleasingFungus> they got us!!!! 16:37:30 <10PleasingFungus> they got us DEAD TO RIGHTS 16:37:34 <05kate> "patches welcome" 16:38:02 <10PleasingFungus> imo post this at em 16:38:02 <10PleasingFungus> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/747522859361894521/1012143780356444160/unknown.png 16:38:04 <09gammafunk> no no, before I make the (trivial) patch, I have more ranting and insults, you can't censor this content 16:38:14 <10PleasingFungus> ^ me irl 16:38:59 <05kate> should link to @crawlcode - the poor code quality makes for excellent content which justifies it 16:39:06 <10PleasingFungus> ooh, good take 16:39:26 <05kate> (i don't think posting jokes there is actually a good idea though, imo just ignore them) 16:39:29 <10PleasingFungus> however i already succumbed to poor impulse control and posted Patches the Hyena 16:39:41 <10PleasingFungus> sorry 16:39:43 PF pls 16:41:25 What other purpose is an OS game being OS is there, besides using code quality as an excuse for why you died with four runes. 16:42:13 <09gammafunk> died on vaults:5, hate too see the codebase in this state of disrepair, it's a disservice to the community 16:42:36 This bad codebase infringes on my rights 16:43:08 Also "It should be pretty simple:" when describing how to "fix" main.cc is... a bold choice. 16:43:15 <09gammafunk> yeah that was good 16:43:19 <08nicolae> i mean i can see how a contributor could be annoyed by the state of the code but there is a reason it's like that (fixing it is a pain in the dong dong) 16:43:24 <10PleasingFungus> !lg . current alpha !won 16:43:26 <04Cerebot> No games for PleasingFungus (current alpha !won). 16:43:27 <10PleasingFungus> i personally am undefeated 16:43:34 <10PleasingFungus> hence the code is perfect 16:43:40 <10PleasingFungus> WORKSFORME WONTFIX. 16:43:46 <09gammafunk> you will die when you attempt the impossible to win "Meteoran" race 16:43:53 <10PleasingFungus> i mean, probably, yes 16:49:58 <09gammafunk> oh 16:50:03 <09gammafunk> did we ever make the actual release post? 16:50:08 <09gammafunk> and update the website 16:50:24 <09gammafunk> ah seems not 16:50:27 <09gammafunk> guess I can do 16:52:18 <09gammafunk> wow can't even git remote show a git url repo 16:53:22 <09gammafunk> uh oh mac tiles url 404 16:53:38 <09gammafunk> oh 16:53:48 <09gammafunk> the file name has changed to have "-universal" I guess 16:55:27 <06advil> Oh yeah it should be a universal arm/x86 build now on mac 16:58:01 <09gammafunk> I'm updating the urls, but I assume everything in the built files is fine 16:58:51 oh dangit and broken source zip? 16:59:52 <09gammafunk> hrm, probably PF didn't attache the built source zip 17:00:18 <09gammafunk> which makes me wonder, are the posted generated source packages not directly buildable? 17:00:54 <09gammafunk> well I guess we'd still have to upload the nodeps file 17:01:02 <09gammafunk> perhaps in the past we've deleted the autogened ones 17:01:56 <09gammafunk> seems we just left them in but uploaded the built source packages 17:09:38 <10PleasingFungus> @gammafunk i linked to a draft version of hte release post 17:09:46 <10PleasingFungus> @gammafunk https://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/wp-admin/post.php?post=5222&action=edit&message=10 17:09:57 <10PleasingFungus> should be almost good to go, just need to update or remove the contributors list 17:11:14 <09gammafunk> ok 17:16:10 <09gammafunk> good contributor name "U-DESKTOP-2MKRQ21\rosst" 17:18:00 <09hellmonk> really do wonder why this project attracts so many psychos 17:20:43 <06advil> hm maybe we have to do that ourselves still 17:20:48 <06advil> the github ones are just the repo 17:21:36 <09hellmonk> making subdirectories does sound like a good idea though, no idea how much work that would be 17:21:40 <09hellmonk> assuming not a ton 17:24:12 <09hellmonk> going to guess a bunch of the XXX / fixme comments are totally irrelevant and years out of date though lol 17:27:37 <06advil> I'm not entirely convinced on subdirectories? I guess I wouldn't argue if someone else did it 17:28:04 <06advil> my experience is that anything like that even these days still breaks git history in a super annoying way 17:43:12 <09gammafunk> http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/0-29-shooting-stars 17:43:24 <09gammafunk> did the best I could with the contributor list, what a pain that is 17:45:05 <09gammafunk> if someone else wants to handle posting that to either of the reddits, please feel free 17:45:31 <09gammafunk> I don't have lots of extra time this evening and need to do some other crawl setup things 17:48:54 advil, subdirectories would be a huge win. Would make it easier for newer contributors to find the relevant files, and also helps minimize the irrelevant stuff when you have a file-tree open in your editor of chocie. 17:48:57 choice, even. 17:50:50 Also there's stuff like git filter-branch to (in some cases) make stuff like mass-file reorganization somewhat manageable, but it usually ends up acting as a bazooka of sorts. 17:53:17 <08nicolae> 😔 17:58:43 <06advil> I'm not super convinced that subdirectories would help people find anything 17:58:49 <06advil> 60% they'd make it harder 18:02:39 especially given the current "organization" of code 18:02:56 I'm trying to imagine a subdir setup that would be halfway sane and failing 18:06:44 <06advil> possibly anything that has a spl- naming scheme could be in a subidrectory 18:07:30 <10PleasingFungus> @gammafunk tyvm for getting the release out the door! i was at my wits end last night 18:07:31 yes, there are a few things that could be (the lua stuff also comes to mind), but that'd still leave a lot in the main dir 18:19:56 <09gammafunk> no prob, thankfully you got most of it done; writing the release post is usually what takes me the most time 18:22:24 <10PleasingFungus> that’s the part i enjoyed most anyway 🙂 18:43:05 <09hellmonk> does anyone know what the legacy reason is for not generating branded quick blades 18:43:48 <09hellmonk> contemplating letting them gen with normal shortblade brands 18:44:44 hm, I just had ice cave portal messages just not show up 18:45:04 I only got the message when entering the level and several hundred turns later when the portal died 18:45:21 <09hellmonk> were you silenced in between 18:45:35 no 18:45:44 <09hellmonk> weird 18:46:14 <10PleasingFungus> elliptic: could your rcfile have muted them? 18:46:20 <10PleasingFungus> i’ve seen that before 18:46:50 it would be strange given I haven't changed mutes in a long time 18:47:07 but usually I have mapping so I guess I don't know for sure when the last time is that I saw ice cave distance messages 18:48:02 I don't think my rcfile actually mutes anything, just makes some stuff not break travel/resting 18:49:48 yeah, the word "mute" doesn't appear in my rcfile 18:50:35 <10PleasingFungus> hm 18:50:37 <10PleasingFungus> odd 18:50:49 03advil02 07* 0.30-a0-26-g93aa2d5b49: fix: mark more potential blocking functions in webtiles 10(70 seconds ago, 1 file, 12+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/93aa2d5b49d9 18:50:50 <10PleasingFungus> well, that was my only idea. 18:51:06 I did do some stair dancing at the beginning of the level, including one time when I went < to rest but then realized I would rather rest on the level with the portal so did > immediately 18:51:34 so maybe something weird with <> breaking the timer? I don't know 18:52:02 <06advil> https://github.com/crawl/crawl/issues/1640 is still open, though at least some of the reports I have tracked down are rc related 18:52:33 <06advil> these days usually when the rc accidentally preempts the crawl defaults (an rc that doesn't change is a good candidate for this) 18:53:09 <06advil> pretty sure the one in the dup issue linked there did not have that explanation though 18:55:49 how could preempting defaults cause messages to be muted? 18:55:55 unless you mean specifically adding mutes 18:56:24 <06advil> re rc explanations, an old rc that builds runrest stuff from scratch can be missing the changes in https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/97754add85f5edaef39d21b052bc01ef9c8d1a74 18:58:04 yeah, missing stops is easy 18:58:06 <06advil> iirc it wouldn't cause it to be muted per se, but would make it very easily missed 18:58:23 <10PleasingFungus> right, same as the oka ammo gift bug 18:58:26 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.30-a0-26-g93aa2d5b49 (34) 18:58:57 (I actually manually explore on portal levels anyway and also checked the message history a bunch since I knew I should have been receiving the messages) 18:59:29 probably I should have saved midway through the level before the portal died, oops 19:00:20 <08nicolae> imo oka should gift ammo again even though it's unnecessary 19:03:05 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.30-a0-26-g93aa2d5b49 (34) 19:04:14 <06advil> elliptic: even shift-movement might cause one to miss it without that stop set, though I'm pretty sure it did still appear in the backlog for those cases 19:04:23 <06advil> *those stops 19:05:04 <06advil> I did verify from saves a few cases where there was really, definitely, nothing in the backlog 19:14:54 03hellmonk02 07* 0.30-a0-27-g09854fe43d: feat: Adjust the silence spell 10(4 minutes ago, 2 files, 5+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/09854fe43dd6 19:15:32 yeah, I stopped shift-movement for that reason :P 19:16:16 I've been trying to remember how lm_tmsg.lua works but currently I don't understand why it doesn't always fail to work 19:17:03 but my suspicion if this is a rare bug is that it's something silly like re-entering the level on the same tick that would normally give a distance message 19:17:47 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.30-a0-27-g09854fe43d (34) 19:20:09 advil, yes, I was thinking of subdirectorying (that's a verb for sure) by spl- like prefixes. 19:20:37 But I do admit it could make things harder to find in instances where the file isn't uniquely categorized by those prefixes... which is probably quite common 19:22:37 oh, actually 19:23:33 is player_can_hear() potentially blocked by traps? since there is a web right in front of my ice cave vault 19:24:28 I guess it isn't but this web is still a little suspicious maybe 19:29:45 <08nicolae> a web... of lies... 19:32:22 <06advil> I wonder if there's a way for the marker to get wiped out by something like a trap 19:32:29 <10PleasingFungus> lmao 19:32:33 <10PleasingFungus> that’d be a goodbug 19:32:42 <06advil> seems too easy 19:32:48 <10PleasingFungus> elliptic: any opinion re allowing qblades to generate w brands? 19:33:14 <06advil> actually, I guess one other thing I've tried in the past (not recently) is to replicate portal announcement bugs via seed 19:33:24 <06advil> though the travel ones wouldn't replicate that way 19:33:45 <06advil> but anything interfering with the marker like that ought to happen again in the seed 19:36:13 allowing qblades to generate with brands seems fine to me, iirc the original justification as explained to me was something like "they already are cool and have one brand (speed)" 19:36:58 <10PleasingFungus> yeah, sounds like what i remember 19:37:03 <10PleasingFungus> fyi @hellmonk 19:37:14 <09hellmonk> cool 19:37:21 <09hellmonk> vaguely on my agenda for 0.30 19:42:09 <10PleasingFungus> might implement acrobat’s faded altar preview 19:43:49 <10PleasingFungus> ‘this is an altar to sif, veh, or trog, but you can’t tell which. worship? 19:44:19 <10PleasingFungus> menu with a / b / c to see god descriptions 19:44:56 that would be fun! there are too many gods I hate for me to use faded altars very much right now 19:48:42 <10PleasingFungus> 🙂 19:50:04 <08nicolae> imo the player should be presented with a bit of ancient text and will have to examine other bits of text in order to decipher the ancient script, which will be a randomly-generated conlang new to each game, furthermore, 19:50:27 <10PleasingFungus> ahh, dwarf crawl stone fortress 19:51:02 <08nicolae> a roguelike based around deciphering a language might be super fun and would appeal to possibly three people tops, of which i would be two of them 19:51:27 <10PleasingFungus> have you played heaven’s vault 19:51:40 <10PleasingFungus> it’s procgen plus language deciphering 19:51:56 <10PleasingFungus> i had some issues with it but it has a cool core 19:53:01 <08nicolae> i played the demo and it's on my steam wishlist but i have not gotten around to it 20:08:59 okay, I mostly understand this timer lua now and don't see how it would fail 22:18:02 <10PleasingFungus> reposting here (for 0.30) 22:18:03 <10PleasingFungus> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/747522859361894521/1012229344225136671/unknown.png 22:18:19 <10PleasingFungus> // This should be a real menu instead of a prompt, but I absolutely cannot be bothered with webtiles menu code. 22:24:28 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.30-a0-28-g557434ed05: Cap Static Discharge power at 50 (hellmonk) 10(56 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/557434ed058b 22:24:28 03PleasingFungus02 07[stone_soup-0.29] * 0.29.0-2-g112830c707: Cap Static Discharge power at 50 (hellmonk) 10(56 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/112830c7070c 22:24:31 <10PleasingFungus> hm 22:24:42 <10PleasingFungus> i wonder if that has an effect on t, if some servers still end up running 0.29.0 22:24:44 <10PleasingFungus> oops 22:24:50 <10PleasingFungus> if so, i blame hellmonk 22:24:54 <10PleasingFungus> 😛 22:29:42 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.30-a0-29-g142975f185: Fix: ozo's fridge targeter + Hep (CarefulOdds) 10(37 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/142975f18582 22:30:45 03PleasingFungus02 07[stone_soup-0.29] * 0.29.0-3-gbb0933ed62: Fix: ozo's fridge targeter + Hep (CarefulOdds) 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/bb0933ed62d3 22:32:30 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.30-a0-29-g142975f185 (34)