00:38:55 Fork (bcrawl) on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.23-a0-4753-g3cc4eb4eda 03:22:12 Experimental (bcrawl) branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.23-a0-4753-g3cc4eb4eda 10:06:37 -!- qnabru is now known as nabru 10:44:13 <09gammafunk> @Sastreii Here's a minor tile project that's strongly in the "nice to have" category. We need proper species monster tiles for at least meteoran and palentonga. Species monsters are monsters that represent a player species, and these are often used decoratively (i.e. behind undiggable glass) in D:1 arrival vaults. For player species that have viable in-game monsters like kobold, merfolk, minotaur, etc, the species monster is just the 10:44:14 corresponding monster and no custom tile is needed. But certain player species don't have a corresponding in-game monster, so we make a special decorative monster and have a custom monster tile for it. 10:45:50 <10PleasingFungus> do we have a djinn monster? or barachian? 10:45:52 <09gammafunk> @Sastreii The full list of such custom species monsters: demigod, felid, formicid, meteoran, octopode, palentonga, vine stalker. The demigod, felid, octopode, and vine stalker tiles all seem fine. Demigod and vine stalker have nice custom tiles: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/crawl/crawl/master/crawl-ref/source/rltiles/mon/humanoids/demigod.png 10:45:52 https://raw.githubusercontent.com/crawl/crawl/master/crawl-ref/source/rltiles/mon/fungi_plants/vine_stalker.png For felid, we use an old tile that we used to use as the felid player tile, which is probably a weird choice since I think most people prefer the current player tile. There are a total of ten (!) cat tiles available in rltiles/player/felids dir, so we could make it any one of those, currently we use: 10:45:55 https://raw.githubusercontent.com/crawl/crawl/master/crawl-ref/source/rltiles/player/felids/cat4.png For octopode, we use the player tile, which seems reasonable, although one could argue a better player (and hence monster) octopode tile could be made: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/crawl/crawl/master/crawl-ref/source/rltiles/mon/aquatic/octopode.png The formicid tile is pretty janky: 10:45:55 https://raw.githubusercontent.com/crawl/crawl/master/crawl-ref/source/rltiles/mon/demihumanoids/formicid.png Which brings me to my initial request for meteoran and palentonga, where we really don't have anything appropriate. Meteoran is just using: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/crawl/crawl/master/crawl-ref/source/rltiles/mon/humanoids/meteoran.png If you wanted to make custom species tiles for, say, me pa and fo, that would be great. They do need 10:45:55 to have appropriate orientation to wear a weapon and shield, like standard humanoid monsters. For the other species, I leave it up to you 10:45:55 <09gammafunk> ooh 10:46:04 <09gammafunk> !tile djinni 10:46:06 <04Cerebot> Can't find djinni.png. 10:46:08 <09gammafunk> uh 10:46:10 <09gammafunk> !tile djinn 10:46:12 <04Cerebot> Can't find djinn.png. 10:46:14 <10PleasingFungus> rip 10:46:22 <10PleasingFungus> i suspect no 10:46:31 <10PleasingFungus> might be using efreet 10:46:32 <09gammafunk> ah yes, I see it uses efreet 10:46:43 <09gammafunk> that seems acceptable 10:46:46 <09gammafunk> for barachi though, yeah 10:46:48 <09gammafunk> just a frog 10:48:32 <09gammafunk> @Sastreii ok update, we also need a barachi species monster tile, currently just using bullfrog tile for that, so that would make the list of wanted tiles be meteoran, palentonga, and barachi, and the nice-to-have tile be formicid 10:49:07 <10PleasingFungus> formicid tile rules tho 10:49:20 <09gammafunk> for formicid monsters, does anyone have opinions on which of the TEN CAT TILES would be better than cat4 (the current one) 10:49:37 <09gammafunk> it is extremely good in the comedy department, but it's not that great of a drawing 10:49:40 <10PleasingFungus> imo vine stalker tile is less exciting than fo 10:49:41 <09gammafunk> re: formicid 10:49:48 <10PleasingFungus> fo tile is dynamic 10:49:52 <10PleasingFungus> it’s on the move 10:49:57 <09gammafunk> I thought about vs, yeah, it's not anything special 10:50:01 <09gammafunk> you could say same of dg tile 10:50:06 <10PleasingFungus> ready to fight 10:50:12 <09gammafunk> but also we don't really do extremely dynamic tiles for the other monsters 10:50:21 <09gammafunk> in part cuz they're actual monsters 10:51:00 <09gammafunk> and who wants to see a goofy kobold? no one, because kobolds are all about business and love to go to corporate meetings about maximizing EBIDTA 10:53:35 <10PleasingFungus> ebidta is very important 10:53:45 <10PleasingFungus> !tile gnoll 10:53:46 <04Cerebot> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/crawl/crawl/master/crawl-ref/source/rltiles/mon/humanoids/gnoll.png 10:54:02 <10PleasingFungus> it’s got a lil somethin somethin 10:56:18 <09gammafunk> that's a sastreii tile I believe 11:05:24 <10PleasingFungus> it is! 11:06:45 <13Sastreii> Nice! Good project, i still need to figure out some player sprites for Pa and meteoran for sure, but i can do this too Formicid tile rules imo, same as Vs and Demigod I’ll came up with something in this days 11:08:52 <13Sastreii> (I could just use stat form felid and octo and change the palette but i think it’s cheating) 11:09:27 <10PleasingFungus> cheating is very efficient 11:09:39 <10PleasingFungus> but you must follow what brings you joy 🙂 11:11:17 <09gammafunk> wow the formicid tile love shocks me to my core 11:12:45 <13Sastreii> I don’t know why Maybe it’s the saturday night fever pose 11:12:59 <13Sastreii> …kinda 11:14:15 <13Sastreii> For Fe i’ll probably do an hissing tile, since it’s not a friendly cat 11:14:17 <08nicolae> oh that post rules 11:14:19 <08nicolae> pose 11:18:26 <09gammafunk> yeah, like I said there are 10 (!) existing cat tiles in that directory, so you could totally just use one of those if you want, or maybe even as a basis for a custom monster tile? up to you, of course 11:18:36 <09gammafunk> pretty funny that we have 10 custom felid tiles, I guess people just like cats 11:21:47 <10PleasingFungus> do you know how many custom naga tiles we have 11:21:49 <10PleasingFungus> you should look 11:26:21 <13Sastreii> So.. meteorans are ppl made of stars..? Or meteorite rock? 11:26:42 <13Sastreii> Like the novakid from Starbound 11:29:47 <08nicolae> made of stars, their playtest name was just Star 11:30:30 <10PleasingFungus> they're people who live above the sky and twinkle in the night sky. stars look like dots from a distance because they're so far away 11:30:36 <10PleasingFungus> but they're just shiny people 11:30:45 <10PleasingFungus> not made of rock or anything like that 11:31:42 <10PleasingFungus> for more details, please consult the documentary 'stardust', available on streaming and subscription services now 11:32:25 <13Sastreii> Ok, ty 12:07:54 <09gammafunk> ...huh 12:08:41 <09gammafunk> !tile demonspawn pink 12:08:42 <04Cerebot> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/crawl/crawl/master/crawl-ref/source/rltiles/player/base/demonspawn_pink.png 12:08:57 <09gammafunk> pink demonspawn variant doesn't have m/f variants 12:10:10 <10PleasingFungus> shameful 12:10:24 <10PleasingFungus> someone over on the roguelikes discord went absolutely wild adding player tile variants a few weeks ago 12:10:31 <10PleasingFungus> no idea why, but it seemed harmless enough 12:10:44 <09gammafunk> yeah no harm in giving people choice 12:10:49 <10PleasingFungus> oughta add a webtiles player doll editor in 0.30. or at least a nice picker for the base tile 12:30:58 PF: replied to you on IRC. Reflections are the evil criminal mastermind in this case. 12:46:32 <10PleasingFungus> hm, very unsure what to do re item sets / alternates and starting items 12:48:44 <12ebering> which ones currently/tell me of your secret plans 12:50:43 <10PleasingFungus> right now, if you're an artificer, delver, or wanderer, you can tell which items from your sets (eg artificer charming/iceblast, delver fog) will be generated for this game by checking \-. if eg you're a delver and ?butterflies shows up in \-, then you know it'll generate this game; if not, you know it won't. this encourages the sort of startscumming we want to discourage. i've thought of two fixes: 1. force generation of the 12:50:44 type you start with. this is weird/sketchy wrt seed stability, and sort of a pain to do, especially for wanderer. 2. mark the items as 'only sort of known' until you find a corresponding one on the ground, so that \- shows the other item(s) in the set until you find one in the wild. not really sure where i'd hook this up - item ID code is very twisty and scary. 12:51:03 <10PleasingFungus> other alternatives are to remove item sets or to rework starting items, but i'm not excited by either, esp close to release 12:51:16 <05kate> 2 sounds like the "correct" solution to me but i don't know how easy it'd be to implement, yeah 12:52:50 <10PleasingFungus> oh, maybe i know a way 12:53:14 <10PleasingFungus> been wracking my brains about this for a week or two 12:53:22 <10PleasingFungus> but complaining might have knocked an idea loose 12:56:10 <08nicolae> agreed. simply ban anyone who asks about it. 13:15:08 Are people really start-scumming off of that? That seems a tad silly to do. 13:19:47 <05kate> i don't know that anyone's doing it necessarily, but crawl tries to be pretty careful about not allowing that kind of thing to work on character creation in particular 13:20:30 <10PleasingFungus> i vaguely suspect that no one outside this channel knows it's possible 13:20:31 <10PleasingFungus> yet 14:00:28 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.29-a0-1028-gde8b1eb099: Tweak Ozocubu's Refrigeration damage further 10(83 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/de8b1eb0999c 14:00:28 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.29-a0-1029-g3196055cea: Remove starting item spoilers 10(52 seconds ago, 5 files, 64+ 13-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3196055ceafe 14:03:44 <10PleasingFungus> btw 14:04:23 <10PleasingFungus> when do we need to decide on a 0.29 release title, and why is it “the Shooting Stars”? 14:14:04 03gammafunk02 07* 0.29-a0-1030-gf5f8719cae: fix: Correct tagging in an arrival vault (acrobat) 10(27 minutes ago, 1 file, 40+ 40-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f5f8719cae59 14:21:37 <09gammafunk> we usually wait too long and do it at the last minute, but technically we don't need it until the final release version tag and release post 14:21:41 <09gammafunk> ??changelog 14:21:43 <04Cerebot> changelog[1/3]: https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/docs/changelog.txt - often incomplete and/or out of date, see {changelog[3]} for an exhaustive list of changes. 14:21:55 <09gammafunk> looks like we need a list of release highlights 14:22:01 04Build failed for 08master @ 3196055c 06https://github.com/crawl/crawl/actions/runs/2853362336 14:22:30 <09gammafunk> shooting stars sounds like a good one, but having that helps inspire people a bit in terms of titles since they know what they need to try to include in their puns 14:31:28 04Build failed for 08master @ f5f8719c 06https://github.com/crawl/crawl/actions/runs/2853399883 14:33:30 <09hellmonk> Alley aoop 14:35:51 <10PleasingFungus> i might do the changelog if i have time 14:35:55 <10PleasingFungus> we’ll see 14:35:59 <10PleasingFungus> lol hellmo 14:49:52 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.29-a0-1030-gf5f8719cae (34) 15:02:10 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.29-a0-1031-g489732b8f0: Don't consider all items to be in sets (Plaidstone) 10(21 seconds ago, 1 file, 4+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/489732b8f08c 15:04:06 <10PleasingFungus> ??rebuild 15:04:08 <04Cerebot> rebuild[1/2]: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rebuild/ http://underhound.eu:81/rebuild/ https://cbro.berotato.org/rebuild/ http://crawl.xtahua.com/rebuild/ https://crawl.kelbi.org/rebuild/ Bug gammafunk, advil, |amethyst, or Nap.Kin for CDO. Use your powers wisely. 15:22:06 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.29-a0-1031-g489732b8f0 (34) 15:23:34 Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.29-a0-1030-gf5f8719cae (34) 15:26:02 <09gammafunk> @TZer0 could we get you to rebuild trunk on cue? it just rebuilt at a bad time and managed to catch a trunk-breaking bug contained in 0.29-a0-1030-gf5f8719cae that's fixed in 0.29-a0-1031-g489732b8f0 15:26:20 <09gammafunk> the rebuild url is still not working, otherwise we'd do ourselves, sorry 15:31:58 <09gammafunk> ...oh 15:32:23 <09gammafunk> > Running test #31: 'youdie.lua'. > test error: ...er/work/crawl/crawl/crawl-ref/source/test/corpse.lua:15: Could not create item for 'wyvern skeleton' > test error: ...k/crawl/crawl/crawl-ref/source/test/monster-name.lua:50: Could not create corpse: kobold name:ugly n_adj n_spe corpse > test error: .../work/crawl/crawl/crawl-ref/source/dat/dlua/test.lua:23: No serpentine rune created at Snake:$ (map dumped to level-fail.map) 15:32:59 <09gammafunk> from CI 15:33:07 <09gammafunk> for the fulldebug tag upgrade 15:44:01 <08nicolae> Ziggy Stardu-- wait we did that one already 15:45:20 <08nicolae> oh, ranged reform also went in, yeah shooting stars is good 18:04:12 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.29-a0-1032-g2b1b757b24: Fix: don't "fizzle" on v-v (#2649) 10(63 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2b1b757b249e 18:11:32 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.29-a0-1033-gb6c65ffae6: Rephrase -Scroll/-Potion mutation desc (#2629) 10(58 seconds ago, 4 files, 16+ 16-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b6c65ffae6c0 18:14:02 -!- unthrig is now known as thrig 18:26:21 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.29-a0-1033-gb6c65ffae6 (34) 19:06:41 Dang it, I was going to try to make that joke too nicolae before I read the rest of the scroll back. 20:47:39 anway (L2 GnBe) ASSERT(item.defined()) in 'items.cc' at line 2582 failed. (D:1) 22:34:51 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.29-a0-1033-gb6c65ffae6 (34) 22:56:42 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.29-a0-1033-gb6c65ffae6 23:40:46 Unstable branch on cbro.berotato.org updated to: 0.29-a0-1033-gb6c65ffae6 (34) 23:54:20 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.29-a0-1033-gb6c65ffae6