00:54:01 Fork (bcrawl) on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.23-a0-4753-g3cc4eb4eda 03:23:04 Experimental (bcrawl) branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.23-a0-4753-g3cc4eb4eda 13:20:45 <08nicolae> how optional is optional when it comes to players interacting with player ghosts 13:21:00 <08nicolae> could you put an overflow inside a ghost vault 13:23:46 <08nicolae> or a rune 13:24:40 there are ghost vaults with altars but they don't count as overflow 13:24:48 iirc 13:26:44 <08nicolae> now that i'm thinking about it: is there a way to set up a lua trigger to do something if the player has the orb 13:26:58 <08nicolae> "ah, this stair vault looks perfectly safe" but then on the orb run: blammo 13:27:08 <08nicolae> the wall opens up and there's twelve pan lords 13:27:37 <10PleasingFungus> no 13:27:45 <10PleasingFungus> by that i don't mean it's impossible 13:27:51 <10PleasingFungus> i mean it's forbidden. i forbid it 13:27:54 <10PleasingFungus> and all other forms of fun 13:27:55 <08nicolae> that's all i needed to hear 13:28:06 <08nicolae> "i don't mean it's impossible", that is 13:29:08 <10PleasingFungus> i believe the relevant lua is probably you.have_orb(), possibly you_have_orb() 13:29:20 <10PleasingFungus> i know nothing about triggers, though 13:37:12 <09hellmonk> Entry vault with the axe of woe behind permarock and it opens when you get the orb 13:48:08 @nicolae ghosts need to be fully optional, yeah 13:48:48 <03wheals> good thing extended is optional 13:48:57 <03wheals> now put all the hell runes behind ghosts 13:49:01 <08nicolae> are you sure 13:49:36 in the same sense that you can't make an overflow where the player has to eat food and has no zot clock 13:49:44 you shouldn't have an overflow that requires the player to fight a ghost 13:50:12 I mean, the question there though isn't about the ghosts, it's about whether we consider overflow access required 13:50:22 <03wheals> i assume ghosts can't be placed in pan but a ghost demonic rune vault would be fun otherwise 13:50:33 <08nicolae> no, the question was about ghosts 13:50:39 <08nicolae> and making players fight them 13:50:45 <08nicolae> are stairs optional 13:51:36 and I think we consider overflows to be something required 13:52:09 so unless that idea changes, we shouldn't lock required content behind ghosts 13:52:34 as for extended, it's a bit of a gray area, we do have ghosts in zigs, for example 13:53:32 my feeling would be that before we go adding even only occassionally to extended branches, we need to do some work on our ghost files 13:54:01 they haven't been updated in many versions by now, and for offline players this is a problem 13:54:19 oh, and we actually may not have proper support for extended branch ghosts 13:54:35 we may need to rework how those are collected 13:54:54 for zigs the justification was that zigs are insane, so it's fine if it's wonky 13:55:20 <05kate> we do have plenty of overflows where eg you need to spend resources/find flight etc, and i don't think they're out of bounds for like, "fight some fairly out of depth thing to get access to this altar" by any means 13:55:36 yeah, I wasn't objecting in terms of that 13:55:37 <05kate> but yeah, ghosts probably aren't a good thing to use for that 13:55:51 I'm guilty there too, I made the infamous transporter overflow 13:56:01 <08nicolae> "overflow vault with twelve 8 glyphs" 13:56:42 !lg * recent kmap~~overflow s=kmap% 13:56:43 680 games for * (recent kmap~~overflow): 333x nzn_overflow_gifts_of_might_and_magic (48.97%), 152x gammafunk_temple_overflow_arena (22.35%), 102x palyth_temple_overflow_mages (15.00%), 50x grunt_temple_overflow_champion_of_chaos (7.35%), 24x grunt_temple_overflow_bloody_war (3.53%), 9x volcano_overflow (1.32%), 6x grunt_temple_overflow_lords_of_destruction (0.88%), 2x vestibule_of_hell_subvaulted;... 13:56:53 oh nzn has dethrone me, nice 13:57:05 not seen anywhere: nicolae 13:57:21 a sign of weakness? legends say it is true 13:57:26 <08nicolae> !lg * recent kmap~~nicolae*overflow 13:57:28 <04Cerebot> No games for * (recent kmap~~nicolae*overflow). 13:57:43 <08nicolae> i'm too nice to put monsters in the overflow vaults 13:57:44 <08nicolae> you're a tyrant 13:57:56 <03wheals> !lg * recent kmap~~nicolae.*overflow 13:57:57 <04Cerebot> 2. Majang the Gelid (L22 DsIE of Vehumet), blasted by a hell hog (fireball) in Hell (vestibule_of_hell_subvaulted; vestibule_geryon_grunt_focused) on 2022-06-17 03:40:25, with 422846 points after 53859 turns and 6:49:49. 13:58:14 yeah you just need to delete the last 5 minutes of this convo 13:58:17 <03wheals> whuh 13:58:31 majang! 13:58:43 oh yeah that query was bad 13:58:51 !lg * recent kmap~~nicolae kmap~~overflow 13:58:52 2. Majang the Gelid (L22 DsIE of Vehumet), blasted by a hell hog (fireball) in Hell (vestibule_of_hell_subvaulted; vestibule_geryon_grunt_focused) on 2022-06-17 03:40:25, with 422846 points after 53859 turns and 6:49:49. 13:58:55 oh ok 13:59:03 !lg * recent kmap~~nicolae kmap~~overflow -2 13:59:04 1/2. kuniqs the Lord of Darkness (L24 MuNe of Kikubaaqudgha), blasted by a balrug (divine providence) in Hell (vestibule_of_hell_subvaulted; vestibule_geryon_nicolae_amphitheater) on 2022-04-19 04:41:01, with 564087 points after 52914 turns and 2:24:58. 13:59:13 <03wheals> !lg * recent kmapnicolae kmapoverflow x=kmap 13:59:14 <04Cerebot> No keyword 'kmapnicolae' 13:59:18 <03wheals> oops 13:59:31 <03wheals> !lg * recent kmap~~nicolae.*overflow x=kmap 13:59:32 discord copy paste strikes again 13:59:33 <04Cerebot> 2. [killermap=vestibule_of_hell_subvaulted; vestibule_geh_nicolae_gehenna_overflowing] Majang the Gelid (L22 DsIE of Vehumet), blasted by a hell hog (fireball) in Hell (vestibule_of_hell_subvaulted; vestibule_geryon_grunt_focused) on 2022-06-17 03:40:25, with 422846 points after 53859 turns and 6:49:49. 13:59:38 hah 13:59:42 <03wheals> overflowing.... 13:59:59 03kate-02 07* 0.29-a0-994-gc5c9f59d18: Fix compiler warnings 10(2 minutes ago, 2 files, 4+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c5c9f59d1832 13:59:59 <08nicolae> !lg * recent kmap~~nicolae_(hells|coc|tar|dis|geh) 13:59:59 <04Cerebot> 91. grimtooth the Petrodigitator (L27 GrGl of Makhleb), slain by a Brimstone Fiend on Tar:5 (nicolae_hells_fiendish_ambush) on 2022-08-02 04:07:53, with 725175 points after 88668 turns and 10:20:34. 14:02:47 <10PleasingFungus> @kate ty! 14:23:59 halfwitHQ (L13 BaHu) ASSERT(item.defined()) in 'items.cc' at line 2582 failed. (Lair:1) 14:33:29 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.29-a0-994-gc5c9f59d18 (34) 14:43:20 req: scroll of marking as alt for noise 14:44:21 <08nicolae> scroll of parking 15:16:15 <09gammafunk> sastreii made this and it's rather good, not sure if all you saw: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/205316046230388737/1004114733168873492/mommy_tiamat.png 15:19:06 <08nicolae> i saw, it rules 15:19:09 <08nicolae> lol at the filename 15:23:23 Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.29-a0-994-gc5c9f59d18 (34) 18:51:04 diecastcamel (L19 DjHW) ASSERT(defender->alive()) in 'fight.cc' at line 254 failed. (Shoals:4) 22:34:48 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.29-a0-994-gc5c9f59d18 (34) 22:41:38 <03wheals> !crashlog * cko 22:41:42 <04Cerebot> 739. halfwitHQ, XL13 BaHu, T:16014 (milestone): https://crawl.kelbi.org/crawl/morgue/halfwitHQ/crash-halfwitHQ-20220802-212317.txt 22:41:49 <03wheals> !crashlog * cbro 22:42:03 <04Cerebot> 2242. mammut, XL17 PaAM, T:45478 (milestone): http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/mammut/crash-mammut-20200926-040518.txt 22:42:29 <03wheals> !crashlog 22:42:31 <04Cerebot> 24535. MrDizzy, XL1 GhAr, T:905 (milestone): https://crawl.project357.org/morgue/MrDizzy/crash-MrDizzy-20220803-051642.txt 22:44:40 <03wheals> huh, not what i meant to find but interesting 22:44:49 <03wheals> !crashlog * cbr2 22:44:52 <04Cerebot> 173. diecastcamel, XL19 DjHW, T:33980 (milestone): https://cbro.berotato.org/morgue/diecastcamel/crash-diecastcamel-20220803-015103.txt 22:56:42 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.29-a0-994-gc5c9f59d18 23:32:10 Unstable branch on cbro.berotato.org updated to: 0.29-a0-994-gc5c9f59d18 (34) 23:54:22 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.29-a0-994-gc5c9f59d18