00:19:31 Unstable branch on cbro.berotato.org updated to: 0.29-a0-222-g5b244fca1f (34) 00:54:08 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.29-a0-222-g5b244fca1f 01:31:03 Fork (bcrawl) on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.23-a0-4567-gb362bb5a12 01:54:11 Monster database of quite-the-item branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.29-a0-27-g318e63bf0e 04:22:00 Experimental (bcrawl) branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.23-a0-4567-gb362bb5a12 05:06:15 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.29-a0-222-g5b244fc (34) 08:24:57 Changelog lies: Woodcutter is a battleaxe. 08:25:00 <12ebering> that's a trunk change 08:25:05 oh 08:25:08 Sorry 08:30:28 03advil02 {ebering} 07[stone_soup-0.28] * 0.28.0-2-gdc4a756: fix: handle undefined item slots with action_panel_glyphs=true 10(25 hours ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/dc4a756b4bb2 08:30:28 03advil02 {ebering} 07[stone_soup-0.28] * 0.28.0-3-g8ba2d89: fix: improve some randart name grammar 10(2 days ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8ba2d898b662 08:30:28 03gammafunk02 {ebering} 07[stone_soup-0.28] * 0.28.0-4-g1788e12: fix: Remove a ghost vault restriction 10(2 days ago, 1 file, 1+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1788e1231f2e 08:30:28 03nicolae02 {ebering} 07[stone_soup-0.28] * 0.28.0-5-g5bfaaa9: Fix an error with a generic overflow vault 10(4 days ago, 1 file, 12+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/5bfaaa9dd4f1 08:30:28 03advil02 {ebering} 07[stone_soup-0.28] * 0.28.0-6-gc908d2d: fix: sanity check item quantity 10(4 days ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c908d2d8d526 08:30:28 03advil02 {ebering} 07[stone_soup-0.28] * 0.28.0-7-g17e3867: fix: more info on invalid item tags.cc crashes 10(4 days ago, 3 files, 16+ 12-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/17e38679ae01 08:30:28 03advil02 {ebering} 07[stone_soup-0.28] * 0.28.0-8-gd9c52d6: fix: tweak wording in a rampage prompt 10(4 days ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d9c52d688c15 08:30:28 03PleasingFungus02 {ebering} 07[stone_soup-0.28] * 0.28.0-9-gafea773: Remove anguish on leaving levels 10(4 days ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/afea7730020f 08:30:28 03PleasingFungus02 {ebering} 07[stone_soup-0.28] * 0.28.0-10-g77d5f7c: Fix a Jiyva jelly crash (?) 10(5 days ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/77d5f7c3f494 08:30:28 03PleasingFungus02 {ebering} 07[stone_soup-0.28] * 0.28.0-11-gfc08257: Fix kaux/ckaux 10(6 days ago, 1 file, 6+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/fc0825790472 08:30:28 ... and 22 more commits 08:45:37 <10PleasingFungus> @ebering i think i'm also going to pull the hints updates into 0.28, unless you think it's too much 08:45:37 <12ebering> go for it! (and pick up that hints pr while you're at it) 08:45:37 <12ebering> (if you can) 08:45:45 <12ebering> it's just they're spread over enough commits that I couldn't do it quickly 08:48:37 <10PleasingFungus> gotcha, doing it now 🙂 09:04:40 03PleasingFungus02 07[stone_soup-0.28] * 0.28.0-34-ge594f15: Remove HINT_SEEN_CARRION 10(2 weeks ago, 2 files, 3+ 41-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e594f1506b46 09:04:40 03PleasingFungus02 07[stone_soup-0.28] * 0.28.0-35-ge3e8961: Misc hints cleanup 10(2 weeks ago, 2 files, 28+ 35-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e3e8961f3cf9 09:04:40 03PleasingFungus02 07[stone_soup-0.28] * 0.28.0-36-g21307e7: Cleanup NEW_ABILITY_GOD 10(2 weeks ago, 1 file, 7+ 17-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/21307e7c24a6 09:04:40 03PleasingFungus02 07[stone_soup-0.28] * 0.28.0-37-gd267294: Update HINT_CONVERT 10(2 weeks ago, 2 files, 34+ 18-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d26729451408 09:04:40 03PleasingFungus02 07[stone_soup-0.28] * 0.28.0-38-g35e0d20: Fixup HINT_EXCOMMUNICATE 10(2 weeks ago, 1 file, 54+ 51-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/35e0d20db715 09:04:40 03PleasingFungus02 07[stone_soup-0.28] * 0.28.0-39-gef14be7: Remove HINT_FLEEING_MONSTER 10(2 weeks ago, 3 files, 2+ 15-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ef14be7e6182 09:04:40 03PleasingFungus02 07[stone_soup-0.28] * 0.28.0-40-g9a7d37b: More hints updates 10(2 weeks ago, 3 files, 19+ 63-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/9a7d37b1772a 09:04:40 03PleasingFungus02 07[stone_soup-0.28] * 0.28.0-41-g20b88cf: Add a malevolence (explore trap) hint 10(2 weeks ago, 3 files, 11+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/20b88cf936ed 09:04:40 03PleasingFungus02 07[stone_soup-0.28] * 0.28.0-42-ge0fda5d: Checkwhite hints changes 10(7 days ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e0fda5d4bba6 09:04:40 03PleasingFungus02 07[stone_soup-0.28] * 0.28.0-43-g3370ac3: Re-remove HINT_SEEN_RANDART 10(7 days ago, 1 file, 0+ 8-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3370ac32074b 09:21:54 re: Xom's chesspiece: agree that it needs more work. I've tried using it on some of my (very) high evo characters and I've always found it very underwhelming and not interesting to use (in fact, I stopped using it after a few levels) 09:24:03 it may or may not need more work but I'm not sure it was really intended for high evo chars at all 09:24:17 that might be why I didn't find it interesting then :) 09:24:59 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.29-a0-223-g7cd8c5c: Tweak Phial of Floods description 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 5+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/7cd8c5c774c7 09:27:55 Btw, I love the phial of floods flavor. Such a cool idea. 09:29:31 perryprog, it's an early game evocable 09:29:59 Oh. It is? I kinda assumed it wasn't since I usually didn't find it until L:6 or later (when I was first trying it out) 09:30:07 that makes a lot more sense, then 09:31:48 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.29-a0-224-gb318887: Adjust wight/necrophage XP 10(8 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b3188875b765 09:33:28 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.29-a0-224-gb3188875b7 (34) 09:34:49 it's even a possible wanderer start item 09:35:05 possibly its placement weight needs to be adjusted 09:35:07 oh, will that correct necrophages from being marked as a red threat when they definitely aren't? I kept meaning to ask about it 09:35:18 (Well, being marked as a red threat for longer than they should be) 09:35:53 <10PleasingFungus> yeah, xp determines threat 09:36:02 nice 09:36:06 <10PleasingFungus> i would personally be fine with xom chesspiece never spawning outside vaults and starts 09:36:15 <10PleasingFungus> but ebering has plans for a rework, so that might change things 09:36:37 we sort of never really solved the xp evocable placement issue 09:36:47 of which this is a special case 09:37:05 if the rework is more funny xom-like things happening then consider me excited :) 09:43:03 <10PleasingFungus> advil: that's fair 09:43:40 <10PleasingFungus> advil: also, if you can provide more specific instructions in #admin-private , that might be helpful 09:47:06 -!- kate-- is now known as kate- 09:54:00 Can I get someone to take a look at https://github.com/Monkooky/crawl/tree/munchies 09:54:21 It's a pretty preliminary implementation atm, but I'd like some thoughts on direction 10:11:43 <10PleasingFungus> would suggest making a PR for it? 10:11:46 <10PleasingFungus> usually a good place for discussion 10:14:30 <06advil> well, I might say that a discussion somewhere of the text in the commit msg might be a starting point 10:14:30 <06advil> e.g. "Further, their gimmick is more irritating than fun or interesting, and is not very thematic." 10:14:30 <06advil> highly recommend not using the word fun (and related) in motivating a change 10:15:40 <06advil> this is a case where it is too bad that gdd/cyc aren't really available any more 10:21:18 <10PleasingFungus> lol 10:21:18 <10PleasingFungus> rip cyc 10:21:18 <10PleasingFungus> it was crazy! 10:21:18 <06advil> it was 10:21:18 <06advil> and sort of not fun 10:21:18 <06advil> speaking of fun 10:22:24 <10PleasingFungus> ooh, ominous cliffhanger 10:22:39 <06advil> haha not intended to be a cliffhanger, just ordered wrong 10:22:48 <06advil> "speaking of fun, cyc was not fun" 10:23:17 <06advil> but things would definitely get "candid feedback" there! 10:23:44 <09hellmonk> personally I miss writing a post saying "this sucks op" for 10 thanks 10:24:09 <12ebering> thought for a bit about turning on github discussions on our repo 10:24:10 <09hellmonk> need a new crawl forum 10:24:11 <12ebering> for this sort of thing 10:24:15 <12ebering> but didn't want to moderate 10:24:16 <10PleasingFungus> classic thankscumming 10:24:25 <06advil> now you gotta work for your tavern thanks with hours of research 10:24:35 <09hellmonk> my thanks to posts ratio is really good 10:24:52 <09hellmonk> posting usually lowers it since nobody is on tavern anymore 10:25:20 <06advil> I'm not opposed to this but iirc some people weren't into it, there was a brief discussion when that feature first appeared 10:25:46 -!- spicyCebolla is now known as spicycat 10:25:55 <06advil> I looked into setting up a discourse newtavern forum for a while but then had a "wtf am I doing to myself" moment 10:28:06 <06advil> there is definitely enough demand for it to be at least minorly active I think 10:28:06 <06advil> one part of my calculation was that if I were involved in running a current dcss forum I would probably need to stop moderating and maybe even visiting reddit (not the worst outcome maybe) 10:28:06 It would give a neat space for "can we discuss this from a game design perspective" in a way similar to what I use #crawl-dev for, but asynchronously 10:29:09 <12ebering> I like PRs for that (save that we're still not super on the spot with keeping conversation going); imo GDD partly died under the weight of ideas with no implementer 10:29:12 <12ebering> wild spitballing 10:29:57 <12ebering> mix it with a toxic culture of tearing down other ideas and well 10:30:23 <06advil> part of the problem is that "crawl game design discussions" are really all over the place, that's part of why the cyc/gdd hierarchy existed; not super wild about recreating that but on the other hand a gdd-like discussion place without a cyc to push things to is worrisome 10:30:41 Cyc? 10:30:51 <06advil> crazy yiuf's corner, subforum of tavern 10:31:03 I don't trust that guy 10:31:09 too many maces 11:14:21 03Elliott Bernstein02 {GitHub} 07* 0.29-a0-225-g54f80b8: fix: when felid has 2 lives, show actual died-now xp needed for next life 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/54f80b8ed558 11:14:21 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.29-a0-226-gba8e22a: Move mu necro enhancers earlier 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ba8e22afda2b 11:17:23 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.29-a0-226-gba8e22afda (34) 11:19:05 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/2452 11:19:58 <10PleasingFungus> thanks! 🙂 11:21:12 03RojjaCebolla02 {GitHub} 07* 0.29-a0-227-g9cf36f4: feat: remove identification scrolls from troves 10(51 seconds ago, 1 file, 4+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/9cf36f4b4dc0 11:22:14 New branch created: pull/2452 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/2452 11:22:14 03Monkooky02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/2452 * 0.29-a0-219-g38da405: Ghouls are very one-dimensional due to extremely poor int. Further, their gimmick is more irritating than fun or interesting, and is not very thematic. This branch seeks to fix this. 10(14 hours ago, 4 files, 20+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/38da40538a49 11:29:52 <10PleasingFungus> ebering on a roll ) 11:32:02 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.29-a0-227-g9cf36f4b4d (34) 11:59:34 <12ebering> @kate dont fear the close button :d 12:01:26 <05kate> hah yeah, seeing that you were going through them prompted me to take a peek too but yeah, can probably close the teleportitis one at least 12:04:15 In an alternate version where multiple Faith sources could stack and dungeonsprint faith bonus applied to all gods, there'd be a Mu sprint build where you effectively get full piety with Usk from a single hit of a monster 12:04:19 s/version/world 12:04:40 <10PleasingFungus> rip club of the night 12:04:43 <10PleasingFungus> i hadn't decided how i felt about that 12:05:02 <10PleasingFungus> or whether i thought there was a salvageable idea in there 12:05:08 <10PleasingFungus> idk why club stabbing keeps coming back, really 12:05:16 <08nicolae> because the night belongs to clubbers, 12:05:22 <10PleasingFungus> yes i did get the pun 😛 12:05:37 <08nicolae> yes but i was making a second, distinct pun 12:05:48 <10PleasingFungus> two puns..!? 12:05:50 <08nicolae> bonk is funny 12:06:02 <10PleasingFungus> should make giant spiked clubs stab then 12:06:04 <10PleasingFungus> big bonk 12:06:18 agree 12:06:32 <08nicolae> i imagine it's also a desire to give some kind of usefulness to the world's shittiest weapo 12:10:28 <06advil> > world's shittiest weapon say that again when a klown is bearing down on you 12:10:28 rip 12:10:28 rip 12:12:03 the klown's aren't even good, they have horrible object work and do a terrible job of staying in character IMO 12:12:19 really could use some time doing some improv practice 12:12:49 don't ask me how this bad joke is related to the topic at hand, I don't know either 12:34:28 <12ebering> @advil any thoughts on 2364, I think you've taken the commit that you wanted? thinking about closing 12:39:39 I closed it 12:41:57 <06advil> hopefully the testing I did on that commit like a month ago still applies 😄 12:42:06 <06advil> (meant to merge it before release but never got back to it) 12:42:53 03Diego Essaya02 {advil} 07* 0.29-a0-228-gcf85d11: fix: click + key modifier detection in tiles 10(6 weeks ago, 3 files, 5+ 24-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/cf85d113b3ea 12:47:18 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.29-a0-228-gcf85d113b3 (34) 12:49:45 03robertxgray02 {advil} 07* 0.29-a0-229-gce1ebfb: Update typed-ast to 1.4.3 This is required to run the server on Python 3.10+ 10(8 weeks ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ce1ebfb2c90f 13:02:32 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.29-a0-231-g945431f764 (34) 13:03:30 03RojjaCebolla02 {GitHub} 07* 0.29-a0-230-g230a354: text: new adjective and verbs for ran dart names, plus usage 10(11 minutes ago, 2 files, 232+ 33-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/230a35465e1d 13:03:30 03Implojin02 {GitHub} 07* 0.29-a0-231-g945431f: feat: add a new randart name 10(10 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/945431f76419 13:04:32 03ebering02 {GitHub} 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/2423 * 0.29-a0-106-g3866714: Apply suggestions from code review 10(14 minutes ago, 1 file, 7+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/38667142344c 13:07:27 -!- kate--- is now known as kate- 14:19:29 03RojjaCebolla02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/2445 * 0.29-a0-220-g51c6450: At game start, change unusable potions into something else 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 12+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/51c6450b40c2 14:26:53 Stable (0.28) branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.28.0-43-g3370ac3207 14:33:40 uh, shouldn't the object typebescroll if you change it to identify? 14:35:13 * geekosaur commented on the commit 14:39:52 03RojjaCebolla02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/2445 * 0.29-a0-220-g8d752c2: At game start, change unusable potions into something else 10(23 minutes ago, 1 file, 12+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8d752c2b9f6b 14:47:18 In the now-unrewarding abyss, evocables don't recharge, drain and temporary mutations don't recover, and piety doesn't recover either. Is this intentional? It really cripples builds that rely on evocations or invocations a lot. 14:47:19 <12ebering> Yes 14:47:19 =( 14:47:42 I'll definitely be going for Slime or Vaults more often for a 3-rune game than Abyss now. 14:47:59 I thougth the intent was to prevent Abyss-scumming. 14:48:10 <12ebering> Yes 14:48:59 <12ebering> a nice bonus is that it makes the abyss play differently from other areas 14:50:15 I've only had a little bit of time with the new Abyss but I kinda hated it. The whole time I was thinking I was wasting time & risking permanent mutations for no payoff. Never ended up getting the rune because I didn't trust that I had enough mutation potions to clean up before Zot. 14:50:47 And I dumped a lot of piety Qazlal-smiting Negoxecs 14:54:06 <12ebering> going into the abyss with Qazlal does seem like risking a lot for little payoff. with no reward for fighting stealth is a premium in the abyss 14:54:06 <12ebering> in my own new-abyss game with qazlal I got banished and converted to lugonu because I found an altar before an exit and wanted out never to return 14:54:06 True, I guess Qaz probably made it more challenging. But if I could have recovered piety it wouldn't have been so bad. 14:54:06 "So anyways I started {{upheaval}}ing." 14:54:06 <12ebering> "it makes the abyss play differently from other areas" 14:54:08 I'll have to see how it feels with other builds. 14:54:27 Anyways that's my feedback I hope you like it. 14:56:52 <10PleasingFungus> my vague take is that abyss should give xp and items, but should always be, on average, more dangerous than the least dangerous place you could currently go. that’s not a concrete plan tho 14:57:08 <10PleasingFungus> also think that low stealth chars were bad in abyss before changes 14:57:28 <10PleasingFungus> and there’s nothing wrong with that 15:07:50 tbh main reason I really like newabyss is because it adds to the (potential?) lore that abyss is actually just a place in your mind and not an actual plane 15:09:22 but in that case everything should reset once you escape 15:09:39 which sadly seems hard, but which I suggested for at least piety at one point 15:10:37 I imagine if you're fighting a (real!) battle in your head but you still have a divine link with your god that it makes sense you can legitimately pay piety for them to help out there 15:10:58 It's just in your mind so you aren't honing your skills and you aren't meeting your gods requirement of actually "killing" (or exploring, etc.) something 15:14:04 03RojjaCebolla02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/2431 * 0.29-a0-232-gf3b72e4: Add a description for the spriggan hatter 10(9 days ago, 2 files, 8+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f3b72e42902e 15:14:04 03RojjaCebolla02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/2431 * 0.29-a0-233-g3fe244f: Remove quote db entries for deprecated items 10(9 days ago, 1 file, 5+ 52-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3fe244f8946a 15:14:04 03RojjaCebolla02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/2431 * 0.29-a0-234-g37f8093: Fix: No godspeak entry for 'Xom zero miscast effect' 10(9 days ago, 1 file, 11+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/37f809374d77 15:14:04 03RojjaCebolla02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/2431 * 0.29-a0-235-gb4466f0: Fix: Undefined local entry '_ashenzari_heavens_' 10(9 days ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b4466f0613c2 16:11:25 sorry bout that, had to force push cuz i brought in trunk commits that fixed the build 16:11:58 I just hate that the reward is so binary. If you get the rune you're done it, if you don't get the rune it was a completely useless enterprise, possibly with permanent consequences. 16:12:10 So it's like maximizing the sunk cost fallacy. 16:12:37 but w/e I'll keep trying it 16:22:16 New branch created: pull/2453 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/2453 16:22:17 03RojjaCebolla02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/2453 * 0.29-a0-232-ge097c97: New unrand: Mindarmour of the Mutant Mage or.. 10(23 minutes ago, 3 files, 12+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e097c97ee7bf 16:23:30 Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.29-a0-231-g945431f764 (34) 16:33:29 is it intended that a friendly orc wielding the arbalest "Damnation" shoot targets adjacent to me or other orcs, so I'm hit with damnation? 16:39:50 yes 16:56:45 <10PleasingFungus> no 17:02:58 03RojjaCebolla02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/2453 * 0.29-a0-233-gdf56316: Actually put inacc on Mindarmour 10(5 minutes ago, 2 files, 8+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/df56316b72db 18:17:00 New branch created: salted_orc (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/tree/salted_orc 18:17:00 03hellmonk02 07[salted_orc] * 0.29-a0-222-g124b6e2: feat: New Orc ending 10(9 minutes ago, 1 file, 63+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/124b6e27e02f 18:17:59 New branch created: pull/2454 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/2454 18:17:59 Branch pull/2454 updated to be equal with salted_orc: 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/2454 18:41:32 -!- kate-- is now known as kate- 18:59:35 -!- robin_ is now known as robin 19:46:48 03RojjaCebolla02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/2453 * 0.29-a0-233-g47ddd2c: Actually put inacc on Mindarmour 10(3 hours ago, 2 files, 8+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/47ddd2c4048c 22:51:44 <12ebering> perryprog: your headcannon is fine but the abyss is definitely a real bad place that's real bad and real evil 23:26:31 WindUpCitrus (L19 FeAE) ASSERT(_valid()) in 'ray.cc' at line 107 failed. (Vaults:4) 23:34:51 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.29-a0-231-g945431f764 (34) 23:58:02 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.29-a0-231-g945431f764