01:00:00 Unstable branch on cbro.berotato.org updated to: 0.29-a0-214-g17f627cfee (34) 01:27:46 In 0.28 if you try to auto-explore while confused I get no error message 01:28:00 so I was confused as to why I wasn't doing anything, thought the game had lagged. 01:38:43 Fork (bcrawl) on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.23-a0-4567-gb362bb5a12 02:05:38 -!- indigaz4 is now known as indigaz 04:22:23 Experimental (bcrawl) branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.23-a0-4567-gb362bb5a12 05:30:32 PleasingFungus: http://catern.com/2022-02-24-072919_2560x1440_scrot.png it's grayed out here even though i can manually trigger it in the menu 05:31:05 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.29-a0-214-g17f627c (34) 08:33:27 <09hellmonk> Dang the tso nerf 08:33:38 <09hellmonk> Good god rework this version? 08:34:01 <08nicolae> now the good gods are SUPER evil 08:34:26 <08nicolae> Evilylon. The Scary One. Zin But Bad Now. 08:35:26 Zin But More Like SIN 08:36:15 <08nicolae> oh there we go, thanks 08:36:58 np 08:37:19 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.29-a0-215-g29cdfe4: Remove most D zombies (hellmonk) 10(14 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/29cdfe4e047d 08:37:19 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.29-a0-216-g0c351c3: Bump down Amaeemon's HP/HD 10(7 minutes ago, 2 files, 3+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0c351c38d6e1 08:41:22 aww rip Amaeemon 08:47:09 removing early zombies also nicely reduces stairdancing 08:47:46 Very much agree with Z removal 08:48:00 The only cool thing about them is their neat tiles 08:48:07 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.29-a0-216-g0c351c38d6 (34) 08:48:23 Oh and the zombie-themed vaults which are aesthetically pretty cool 08:48:50 the early zombie vaults will be more unusual and therefore cool now 08:48:57 :D true 08:49:50 Oh, I can't remember if this has been mentioned, but has an Ossuary buff/loot nerf been considered? 08:49:59 <10PleasingFungus> yeah i think hellmo has some plans 08:50:03 neato 08:52:21 And would anyone be against me PRing a change to make radroaches a bit more irradiate happy as per my reasoning from a day or two ago? 08:52:21 <08nicolae> that reminds me, what places/portals need more vaults, i looked at gauntlet and thought about some new layouts but gauntlet has a lot of variety there already 08:52:21 the readme says more entry vaults are still needed 08:52:21 Ice cave maybe? A lot of them look mostly the same 08:52:31 tho anecdotally i don't see repeats these days anymore 08:52:33 Though it's kinda hard to not have them look the same I guess 08:52:35 <08nicolae> entry vaults are always needed 08:52:44 <08nicolae> also didn't somebody do some ice cave stuff a few versions ago 08:52:50 also shop vaults 08:53:02 <08nicolae> agreed re shop vaults 08:54:21 Maybe Lair end vaults? I feel like I see repeats of those a lot 08:55:02 <08nicolae> that's one that's definitely been brought up before, yeah, i keep putting it off because i can never seem to pull together an idea i like enough though 08:56:18 a rare zoo one would be funny 08:56:39 (and probably not that good) 08:59:07 one way shop gauntlet 08:59:11 Sokobon branch with procedural generation so you can't look up solutions and punishments for breaking the rules of sokobon 08:59:15 Everyone will love it 09:06:06 <08nicolae> i have thought of one-way shop gauntlets but i feel like it would only really work in gauntlet, doing it in bazaar would be kind of a dick move i think and it doesn't really work outside of a portal vault 09:09:06 <12ebering> branch entry vaults 09:09:09 something something exit through the gift shop 09:09:35 <08nicolae> lmao yes, i should do this as a minotaur gauntlet subvault, bellissimo 09:09:36 Zot:4 serial gift shop vaults!! 09:09:44 oh that's even better 09:11:06 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.29-a0-217-gce79c09: Remove D skeletons too 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ce79c09f719d 09:12:42 <08nicolae> well, part of the gimmick/tension with the one-way shops is that you might end up spending all your money and then see something good, or save your money and then see a bunch of crap, which doesn't quite work if you can just loop back through 09:12:42 want to exit abyss/pan? first visit our fine shops 09:12:44 <08nicolae> oh huh, yeah, that WOULD work in pan, wouldn't it 09:14:56 <08nicolae> well, it' 09:15:09 <08nicolae> d work somewhat less, since you could theoretically teleport out of the shop gauntlet to restart 09:17:24 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.29-a0-217-gce79c09f71 (34) 09:17:49 03PleasingFungus02 07[a-good-start] * 0.29-a0-218-g0d46976: Improve characters' starting kits (Hellmonk) 10(5 weeks ago, 7 files, 73+ 61-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0d46976da3ab 09:17:49 03PleasingFungus02 07[a-good-start] * 0.29-a0-219-g42e0572: Don't recommend pillar dancing 10(3 weeks ago, 1 file, 7+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/42e057255d39 09:17:49 03PleasingFungus02 07[a-good-start] * 0.29-a0-220-g6fca6ee: Revert "Re-randomize energy temporarily" 10(5 weeks ago, 1 file, 0+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6fca6ee05cc6 09:17:49 03PleasingFungus02 07[a-good-start] * 0.29-a0-221-g11ea9a7: Implement closing attacks 10(5 months ago, 5 files, 132+ 49-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/11ea9a7587a8 09:17:49 03PleasingFungus02 07[a-good-start] * 0.29-a0-222-g3b4adfe: Disable weird AFs for opportunity attacks 10(24 minutes ago, 7 files, 29+ 21-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3b4adfeb7d05 09:17:49 03PleasingFungus02 07[a-good-start] * 0.29-a0-223-gef639f2: Make ogres attack more slowly 10(16 minutes ago, 1 file, 12+ 12-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ef639f230c05 09:18:53 Branch pull/2435 updated to be equal with a-good-start: 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/2435 09:22:31 11ea9a7587a8 might need a title change 09:23:08 <10PleasingFungus> yeah probably 09:23:46 is "there is only one zot end vault with on changes" on purpose? otherwise, nicolae, zot end vaults :) 09:24:09 <12ebering> the orb chamber is Special 09:29:13 <10PleasingFungus> many many many years ago, there was an unsuccessful attempt to make a second zot end 09:29:23 <10PleasingFungus> don't think it's impossible but do think it's a big ask 09:30:00 <12ebering> something I think about from time to time is making Z:5 encompass 09:30:37 <10PleasingFungus> interesting 09:37:15 <08nicolae> for a while the orb chamber itself was a subvault with a handful of varieties, then i submitted a patch with a shitload of weird orb chambers and that inspired the devs to think, maybe we should just have one iconic ending, instead of letting nicolae get real fucking weird with it. can't blame em really. 09:40:06 <12ebering> don't have a complete vision for the "outside of the moth" part 09:56:08 <10PleasingFungus> ??vaultmaking[$ 09:56:09 <04Cerebot> vaultmaking[3/3]: I suggested to gamma earlier that I should remove the equivalent of the vaginal canal. It makes the vault look better as well. 09:56:21 <10PleasingFungus> iirc this was about zot:5 10:04:17 <09hellmonk> imo subvault the wings but leave the center unchanged 10:04:53 <12ebering> I think they already are subvaulted a bit? 10:06:57 <09hellmonk> There's variance in monster set and trap gen but that's it I think 10:07:05 <12ebering> yeah but I thought some of that was implemented via subvaulting 10:07:14 <12ebering> to make it easier to add some new wing subvaults 10:08:59 <09hellmonk> Don't remember 10:13:46 Webtiles server stopped. 10:17:45 Webtiles server started. 10:20:36 only change I recall to z:5 is at one point it was changed to randomize which lung the rune was in and players just went berserk at the devs about it 10:20:36 probably misremembering something about it 10:21:27 account hold seems to be working after webtiles reboot 10:21:56 thanks for adding this feature 10:27:23 <09gammafunk> it was not, it was about cheibrodos_breeding_chamber, a float vault 10:27:23 <09gammafunk> geekosaur: I revamped the trap and monster placement like 5 versions or so, although didn't really change the fundamentals too much 10:28:03 <09gammafunk> tldr is that killer klowns became more well defined as a monster set for use in the chambers and traps and statues could place more regularly in the area separating the lower and upper halves of the wings 10:28:51 <09gammafunk> but yeah, new zot:5 stuff is a longstanding item on my todo, just haven't gotten really concrete ideas for it, and obviously you have to take care and do it right, since every winning game must go through that level 10:29:39 <10PleasingFungus> wow, ty for fixing my false lore 10:30:17 <10PleasingFungus> geekosaur: a rune in the lungs...?! 10:37:41 sorry, orb 10:37:47 it was years ago 10:38:12 and I'm not braining well today :( but I can't go back to bed because I'm waiting for pest control 10:38:28 (fr: crawl bedbugs) 10:41:04 my plants have scale 10:41:04 which looks like a bacteria or fungus or whatever, but it's *very tiny bugs* 10:41:04 and they don't fly 10:41:04 so odds are, there are very tiny bugs all over the house that i can't see 10:41:04 fr: those! 10:41:04 fedhas wrath? 10:41:36 <09hellmonk> Tiny bug armour (scale mail) 10:41:52 aphids 10:42:05 sadly they only suck sap, not blood 10:51:42 <09gammafunk> wait, just realized Zenata is obviously a reference to the fabled reptomancer from StS, you can't fool me that easily! 10:52:13 no, it's a reference to the Medieval Berber tribal confederation 10:56:43 <10PleasingFungus> gammafunk: you got me 😛 10:57:10 fr: soup 10:57:26 <10PleasingFungus> i was considering making the reference slightly more explicit in some way (a dialogue line or something) but hadn't decided 10:58:27 <10PleasingFungus> (reptomancer was not the initial inspiration - the goal was 'take a desolation monster and make a unique version' - but the similarity became clear as i worked on it) 11:00:02 New branch created: thoroughly-rotten (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/tree/thoroughly-rotten 11:00:02 03PleasingFungus02 07[thoroughly-rotten] * 0.29-a0-218-gef5e5fa: Mummy reform: Decay ability & necro enhancers 10(25 hours ago, 9 files, 80+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ef5e5fa24517 11:00:56 New branch created: pull/2442 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/2442 11:00:56 Branch pull/2442 updated to be equal with thoroughly-rotten: 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/2442 11:01:31 <09gammafunk> haha, honestly I was 50/50 on whether it was in fact a reference, but certainly as I looked at it (from the reddit post) I was struck by the similarity 11:01:31 <10PleasingFungus> i was considering making it "summon dancing daggers" specifically 11:01:31 <10PleasingFungus> but that would've been much more work 😛 11:10:08 <08nicolae> as you point out in the dcss thread, constructs also includes starspawns et al. so: alternate timeline zenata. desolation -> abyss, summons abyssal constructs 11:11:30 <10PleasingFungus> so many alt timelines 😛 11:11:43 <10PleasingFungus> think i'd rather fix the weirdness about constructs 11:11:53 <10PleasingFungus> (wouldn't be super hard, just check golem/statue/weapon genus probably) 11:12:04 <08nicolae> holiness CONSTRUCT flag 11:14:34 New branch created: pull/2443 (7 commits) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/2443 11:14:35 03PleasingFungus02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/2443 * 0.29-a0-218-g0d46976: Improve characters' starting kits (Hellmonk) 10(5 weeks ago, 7 files, 73+ 61-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0d46976da3ab 11:14:35 03PleasingFungus02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/2443 * 0.29-a0-219-g42e0572: Don't recommend pillar dancing 10(3 weeks ago, 1 file, 7+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/42e057255d39 11:14:35 03PleasingFungus02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/2443 * 0.29-a0-220-g6fca6ee: Revert "Re-randomize energy temporarily" 10(5 weeks ago, 1 file, 0+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6fca6ee05cc6 11:14:35 03PleasingFungus02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/2443 * 0.29-a0-221-g11ea9a7: Implement closing attacks 10(5 months ago, 5 files, 132+ 49-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/11ea9a7587a8 11:14:35 03PleasingFungus02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/2443 * 0.29-a0-222-g3b4adfe: Disable weird AFs for opportunity attacks 10(2 hours ago, 7 files, 29+ 21-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3b4adfeb7d05 11:14:35 03PleasingFungus02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/2443 * 0.29-a0-223-gef639f2: Make ogres attack more slowly 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 12+ 12-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ef639f230c05 11:14:35 03RojjaCebolla02 {GitHub} 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/2443 * 0.29-a0-224-g32dd72c: give monk a starting item that's usable in a fight 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/32dd72ca9734 11:18:01 <10PleasingFungus> spicycebolla: i thought about that but, like, it doesn't do anything in early d 11:18:04 <10PleasingFungus> and ambrosia does 11:18:14 <10PleasingFungus> it's definitely thematic but i think it's a nerf 11:18:22 <10PleasingFungus> (it = ?holy word) 11:18:29 <10PleasingFungus> (for monk start) 11:28:53 <08nicolae> also monks aren't tied to a specific religion but scrolls of holy word are only thematic for two or three gods 11:28:53 <08nicolae> like fedhas and gozag don't care about demons 11:28:53 yes, and, monks aren't tied to fedhas or gozag when they enter :) 11:28:53 maybe they had a traditional catholic upbringing, and entering the dungeon taught them "Oh, then, there are other Gods than these!" 11:28:53 but good point on scroll not doing much early - especially now that there isn't so much zed clutter in d 11:29:23 i guess if you get a bat between you and (non-Sigmund) you get a chance to quaff ambrosia 11:36:42 <09hellmonk> Roman Catholic Ghoul Monk 11:37:15 <09hellmonk> (monk should get something actually good to make up for being incredibly shitty otherwise tho) 11:37:29 what about fear scrolls, no one has those yet 11:37:39 put... 11:37:56 the fear of the lord into them! 11:38:28 s/lord/several deities 11:44:26 <08nicolae> thanks to their monkular training they start with a number of useful scrolls pre-identified 11:44:37 <08nicolae> "isn't the adjective for that 'monastic' or something" no 11:46:28 1052 also didn't somebody do some ice cave stuff a few versions ago 11:46:36 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/cc58b11c1d065a6cb45fcbc49f1ca81508563a8e in case you hadn't found it already 11:47:04 <08nicolae> that's the one yeah 13:12:41 ambrosia is pretty decent early game too when health gen goes much further than it does late game 13:12:46 health regen* 13:19:17 <10PleasingFungus> yeah, just tested and used it to crush sigmund 13:19:17 <10PleasingFungus> imagine being worried about being confused 13:19:17 <10PleasingFungus> reducing damage output by 50% in exchange for 5 hp/turn is a fantastic trade early on 13:20:50 i guess when i've tried to use it last-ditch, i was already too deep in the ditch 13:22:12 <10PleasingFungus> i did it at half hp, which felt pretty good 13:22:18 <10PleasingFungus> quarter hp or 1 hp might have been less good 14:18:58 spicyDoesTourney (L16 OpCj) ASSERT(item.props.exists(ARTEFACT_PROPS_KEY) || is_unrandom_artefact(item)) in 'artefact.cc' at line 1013 failed. (D:13) 14:22:33 <10PleasingFungus> !crashlog spicydoestourney 14:22:34 <04Cerebot> 13. spicyDoesTourney, XL16 OpCj, T:43058 (milestone): https://crawl.kelbi.org/crawl/morgue/spicyDoesTourney/crash-spicyDoesTourney-20220224-211844.txt 14:24:53 i've found a bit of a workaround for that one: if i drop an artifact, then save the game, then do other inventory things, notably picking up items, it doesn't crash 14:25:06 else, drop arti, pick up anything = crash (i think) 14:25:33 have a save backup here https://github.com/crawl/crawl/issues/2434 14:28:00 <03wheals> &rc spicyDoesTourney 14:28:00 <04Cerebot> https://crawl.kelbi.org/crawl/rcfiles/crawl-git/spicyDoesTourney.rc 14:29:44 i removed the medwar autopickup section recently from that rc 14:29:51 thinking it might be the issue 14:53:38 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.29-a0-218-gf2abdc9: Tweak frog hop targeter 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 7+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f2abdc980628 14:54:40 New branch created: pull/2445 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/2445 14:54:40 03RojjaCebolla02 {GitHub} 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/2445 * 0.29-a0-218-ga0275b7: At game start, downgrade unusable scrolls to identification scrolls 10(8 minutes ago, 1 file, 9+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a0275b73b73c 15:01:32 03RojjaCebolla02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/2445 * 0.29-a0-218-g8732549: At game start, downgrade unusable scrolls to identification scrolls 10(15 minutes ago, 1 file, 9+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8732549129aa 15:02:44 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.29-a0-218-gf2abdc9806 (34) 15:08:24 03RojjaCebolla02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/2445 * 0.29-a0-218-gd42103f: At game start, downgrade unusable scrolls to identification scrolls 10(22 minutes ago, 1 file, 9+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d42103fcd533 15:35:41 03RojjaCebolla02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/2445 * 0.29-a0-219-ga51f7e0: Better-seeming version of previous commit 10(8 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a51f7e0de2f1 16:06:19 sorry about any lag during the tournament, i barely found the time to get the new version installed 16:06:25 i usually scale up the hardware for it 16:24:19 Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.29-a0-218-gf2abdc9806 (34) 16:39:18 -!- aoei is now known as stella 18:19:27 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.29-a0-219-g0a02b1c: Don't spawn Amaemon on D:7 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0a02b1cf4ff3 18:32:29 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.29-a0-219-g0a02b1cf4f (34) 18:39:49 03PleasingFungus02 07[a-good-start] * 0.29-a0-224-g4359f82: Add an opportunity attack hint 10(4 minutes ago, 3 files, 11+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4359f820dfa6 18:41:00 Branch pull/2435 updated to be equal with a-good-start: 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/2435 23:34:47 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.29-a0-219-g0a02b1cf4f (34) 23:56:21 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.29-a0-219-g0a02b1cf4f