00:56:36 Unstable branch on cbro.berotato.org updated to: 0.28-a0-1506-g3893175d92 (34) 01:36:44 Fork (bcrawl) on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.23-a0-4506-g453a05f5f4 02:17:34 -!- allbery_b is now known as geekosaur 03:34:43 -!- FUZxxl_ is now known as FUZxxl 04:23:05 Experimental (bcrawl) branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.23-a0-4506-g453a05f5f4 09:11:55 was told to post this here 09:11:56

so, the new menu highlighting is... basically unreadable in a lot of cases 09:11:56

but I don't know if it's a terminal setting or rc file issue on my part 09:11:56

https://www.dreamsleeve.org/img/crawl-highlight.png 09:12:50 unhighlighted items in a list turn black-on-light-grey, but if it's highlighted yellow, blue, etc., it keeps the original color, which is often not very readable on light grey 09:39:52 selecting items in the drop menu also turns them white-on-light-grey 09:52:52 <03wheals> based on the new info in options_guide.txt, I'd suggest setting Connection->Data->Terminal-type to putty-256color 10:05:19 Are all Cinder Acolytes supposed to get Scorch? I'm only seeing it for Djinn. 10:05:42 <12ebering> it's in their spell library but not auto-memorized 10:05:50 <12ebering> I think 10:06:44 Oh man. I've been playing Djinn for so long that I forgot that I needed to Memorize 10:32:20 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.28-a0-1506-g3893175 (34) 10:42:26 G-Flex_: I can verify that changing that setting the terminal type to "putty-256color" fixes the issue for me, but if that's already what it's set to then it could be an rcfile issue 10:42:54 &rc swinepaste 10:42:56 https://cbro.berotato.org/rcfiles/crawl-git/swinepaste.rc 10:48:49 <03wheals> very unfortunate that it isn't the default for putty though 11:02:25 wheals: thanks, what *is* the default terminal type? 11:02:54 don't mind my rc file, it's probably full of deprecated nonsense 11:11:56 <03wheals> it seems to just be "xterm" 11:16:33 I don't see anything about terminal type in the options help file 11:17:05 OH in putty. dammit. got it 11:18:31 setting it to putty-256color doesn't seem to change it as far as I can tell 11:19:08 e.g. in quench menu, an unID'd option when selected is a low contrast blue on grey 11:19:12 what is it supposed to be? 11:20:58 I guess it's dark grey now though 11:20:58 some stuff is definitely... different. Wandering creatures now have a really harsh yellow background 11:29:30 <12ebering> you have to log back in after setting your term variable 11:29:36 <12ebering> crawl won't pick it up immediately 11:43:38 <03wheals> you can't even change it in putty without closing, so that probably isn't it 11:49:23 <03wheals> this is what it looks like for me now, though i admit i'm not sure if these are the default putty colors 11:49:23 <03wheals> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/747522859361894521/931258644035682314/unknown.png 11:50:06 try removing bold_brightens_foreground = true from your rcfile maybe? that shouldn't make a difference, but maybe it somehow is 11:53:44 ok yeah this might be a matter of my "blue" being very light, almost as light as lightblue 12:00:02 wheals: yeah those aren't the default colors, you changed them to something less eye-searing than the defaults 12:00:10 defaults are your typical primary and secondary colors and so on 12:05:45 I don't think that made a difference, hrm 12:25:11 a light grey hover is a fallback when the terminal is operating in 8 color mode 12:28:19 I suppose one could use dark blue 12:31:36 I think it' susing dark grey for the background highlight now 12:31:36 https://www.dreamsleeve.org/img/crawl-highlight2.png 12:38:13 <06advil> it might be that putty's dark gray is not very dark 12:38:46 <06advil> at least by default 12:38:57 I think it uses whatever the ANSI colors are specified as. I think that's a thing anyway 12:39:29 <06advil> yes, it uses whatever the terminal specifies for those color values, but there's quite a bit of variation across terminals 12:39:30 there's an "ANSI Black Bold" that's 120/120/120 if that's what the relevant color is 12:41:04 <06advil> I don't think ANSI specifies rgb? At least, I've never seen two terminals agree on them 12:41:44 <06advil> this is an example on mac terminal fwiw 12:41:45 <06advil> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/747522859361894521/931271820802408508/Screen_Shot_2022-01-13_at_2.41.23_PM.png 12:42:05 <06advil> there are various things that could be done to increase contrast 12:42:17 <06advil> independent of people adjusting their terminal colors 12:42:56 <06advil> I haven't done any of those because I don't have a great sense for what different terminals are like yet 12:58:25 G-Flex_: according tom the wikipedia page on ansi escape codes, putty uses 85, 85, 85 as its default dark grey / bright black, which I'm not sure is what is in that screenshot 13:00:02 I *think* my putty colors are their default 13:00:05 let me check that screenshot 13:00:23 that's 120/120/120 13:00:40 with 85/85/85 as "default bold background" 13:00:54 so I guess I'll just change that 120/120/120 to 85/85/85, no idea if I changed that for some reason a while back or what. 13:01:43 that helps a bit, but the blue text on it is still a bit much 13:02:10 thanks for the help, let me know if there's anything else I can do 13:07:57 personally I generally have issues with the default ANSI blue no matter its exact details, so I usually brighten that 13:08:33 an option for increasing contrast is to invert more cases, rather than preserving text color 13:12:48 blue has poor contrast on black and a lot of greys 13:13:11 generally speaking the worst constrast is when the colors only differ in the blue channel, e.g. blue on black or yellow on white 13:45:53 <06advil> yes 13:46:19 <06advil> unfortunately for the most part crawl is at the mercy of the terminal, though I suppose someone could implement 256 color support 13:51:12 <10PleasingFungus> i can think of a way to render with even more than 256 colours, 13:53:40 <03wheals> it's true, some terminals do support 24-bit colors https://gist.github.com/XVilka/8346728#fully-supporting 13:55:09 iirc if you're willing to do the work xterm can do 16M colors 14:21:21 <06advil> so do I gather correctly from the above discussion that putty still has TERM=xterm as the default? 14:21:30 <06advil> I really wanted that not to be true 14:28:06 I expect it's a backward compatibility thing 14:31:14 <03wheals> that's what i gathered from some googling earlier 14:32:10 <03wheals> well, that and just looking at the default value, but i downloaded my copy of putty quite a while ago 14:35:48 <06advil> this one is described as on by default, but I don't know what it actually does: https://documentation.help/PuTTY/config-xtermcolour.html 14:54:27 <06advil> I have now installed mac putty, lol 14:54:33 <06advil> man are its default settings terrible 14:54:42 <06advil> is this really still the best option on windows? 14:59:29 putty for nonwindows pretty well sucks 14:59:29 there's a linux version too 14:59:29 <06advil> I believe this is actually the linux version with a minimal port 14:59:33 <06advil> I'm running it via XQuartz 14:59:47 <06advil> but it looks similar enough to the screenshots from G-Flex 15:01:37 <06advil> direct comparison 15:01:37 <06advil> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/747522859361894521/931307021305806939/Screen_Shot_2022-01-13_at_5.01.25_PM.png 15:02:02 <06advil> (that's with 16 color mode on) 15:54:53 advil: i try to tell windows users to use mobaxterm instead 15:55:06 but putty has a lot of brand recognition / tutorials out there 16:23:42 Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.28-a0-1506-g3893175d92 (34) 18:05:17 03kate-02 07* 0.28-a0-1507-gb10ca78: Fix inventory menu colouring not being used in item menus 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b10ca78fade2 18:05:17 03kate-02 07* 0.28-a0-1508-g054e75b: Reword an ushabti cast message 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/054e75b119a2 18:23:08 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.28-a0-1508-g054e75b119 (34) 18:31:44 New branch created: pull/2357 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/2357 18:31:44 03Marcelo Henrique Cerri02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/2357 * 0.28-a0-1509-gd87b0a9: Add new option to hide the blood 10(14 minutes ago, 6 files, 17+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d87b0a9aa8fc 18:51:00 03Marcelo Henrique Cerri02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/2357 * 0.28-a0-1509-gdef7d5a: Add new option to hide the blood 10(33 minutes ago, 6 files, 23+ 10-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/def7d5ac149a 19:03:51 03Marcelo Henrique Cerri02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/2357 * 0.28-a0-1509-ga543e22: Add new option to hide the blood 10(46 minutes ago, 6 files, 24+ 10-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a543e22d09bf 19:23:06 03Marcelo Henrique Cerri02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/2357 * 0.28-a0-1509-gce78ac6: Add new option to hide the blood 10(65 minutes ago, 7 files, 25+ 11-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ce78ac67bdc1 20:53:28 <09hellmonk> fun technical problem: would like to make iood damage formula use a div rand round on power, but that would make the damage display in xv nondeterministic 20:55:19 <10PleasingFungus> that’s ez to fix 20:55:40 <10PleasingFungus> we do it for many spells 20:55:48 <09hellmonk> do tell 20:56:50 <10PleasingFungus> just pass a random param into iood damage func and truncate down if random is false 20:57:00 <10PleasingFungus> it’s technically wrong but close enough 20:57:30 <09hellmonk> ugh 20:57:36 <09hellmonk> hate it, but ok 20:59:55 <09hellmonk> finally removing this internal power stepdown, fun stuff 21:01:33 <12ebering> did u see your reddit feedback thread 21:01:42 <12ebering> commentary on spider from the playertariat 21:01:53 <09hellmonk> I try not to look at reddit 21:02:09 <09hellmonk> is there anything important there 21:12:49 <12ebering> its some pretty thorough playthrough reports 21:12:52 <12ebering> too many mans is I think the overall impression 21:19:10 <09hellmonk> sounds reasonable 21:19:10 <09hellmonk> I do want to at least remove the gigantic open fuck you layout before t 21:19:10 <09hellmonk> maybe tone down some bands too 21:30:46 03hellmonk02 07* 0.28-a0-1509-g5ff2a34: rework orb of destruction damage formulas 10(11 minutes ago, 5 files, 14+ 8-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/5ff2a343f81a 21:33:15 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.28-a0-1509-g5ff2a343f8 (34) 21:47:52 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.28-a0-1510-gd0f6b136d3 (34) 21:49:57 03hellmonk02 07* 0.28-a0-1510-gd0f6b13: feat: shrink some spider bands 10(18 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d0f6b136d335 22:07:20 <09hellmonk> seems like the open spider layout is some variant on spider_delve, not sure what parameters though 22:07:44 <09hellmonk> will try to figure that out before feature freeze 22:47:09 it's still kinda weird sometimes that you're on the devteam 22:50:08 <11nikheizen> don't be rude! 22:52:38 i was on the dev team once 22:55:05 he was out there making art 22:55:27 <09gammafunk> >sonic species 22:55:29 <09gammafunk> >art 22:55:29 tagging BLOAT\CRAWL in the subway stations by the light of his cellphone 23:02:08 and then The Man removed food 23:02:24 and hellmonk became incorporated 23:05:07 <09gammafunk> hellmonk always generally supported the M.I.N.M.A.Y. corporation, the scene kids were just too young and naive to see it 23:34:49 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.28-a0-1510-gd0f6b136d3 (34) 23:56:32 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.28-a0-1510-gd0f6b136d3