00:54:15 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.28-a0-1493-g08698888e4 00:57:11 Unstable branch on cbro.berotato.org updated to: 0.28-a0-1493-g08698888e4 (34) 01:30:59 Fork (bcrawl) on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.23-a0-4506-g453a05f5f4 02:17:34 -!- allbery_b is now known as geekosaur 04:22:26 Experimental (bcrawl) branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.23-a0-4506-g453a05f5f4 04:31:33 New branch created: pull/2354 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/2354 04:31:34 03Nikolai Lavsky02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/2354 * 0.28-a0-1487-g8f40ec4: feat: don't grant explore piety to Jiyva worshippers in the Slime Pits 10(18 minutes ago, 2 files, 3+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8f40ec4a1606 04:54:43 gogijan (L11 GnAM) ERROR in 'tags.cc' at line 4750: Invalid item: (quantity: 0) gold piece (D:11) 06:12:35 !crashlog gogijan 06:12:35 1. gogijan, XL11 GnAM, T:16614 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/gogijan/crash-gogijan-20220112-115442.txt 06:12:56 eek save seralization crash, no thanks 06:13:05 oh wait, is it? 06:13:07 this one's been happening for years 06:13:55 oh, interesting 06:14:06 !source tags.cc:4750 06:14:06 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/tags.cc#L4750 06:14:27 backwards compatibility issue? 06:14:36 nobody knows 06:14:41 spooky 06:26:07 ebering, it was listed in the commit message "Might not make the final cut ..." 06:26:27 Honestly I don't see the point in an orb which carries an effect that most players are frantic to get rid of when it's a mutation. 06:27:03 I mean, if you want orb of wrath you could just talk to your friendly neighborhood orbs of fire. Bonus is that version doesn't take up a shield slot. 06:27:36 <12e​bering> The chance is higher. 20% is enough that you can reasonably rely on it as a source of berserk 06:28:42 <12e​bering> Also there are lots of malmuts that players are frantic to get rid of that aren’t nearly as bad as they’re made out to be (still bad, sure but can be played around) 06:29:22 Fair 06:33:48 And I can't situationally unwield the mutation 06:37:52 Is unwielding an orb situationally a good idea? I could think of better ways to spend 5 turns most of the time :v 06:37:52 I don't mean _in combat_, but I can decide whether I want it in a given branch, vault, etc. 06:39:00 doing things situationally is really always a good idea :P 06:39:00 Ah, misunderstood. fair enough 06:39:52 perryprog: when it takes 5 turns? I dunno. 06:40:10 Sure, if you can get around the corner or up a stair before re-engaging a group 06:40:48 Indeed if you shut a door against monsters that can't open it you can rework your entire kit based on what you say 06:40:51 *saw 06:50:50 svalbard (L16 OpDe) Crash caused by signal #6: Aborted (Crypt:2) 07:02:49 New branch created: pull/2355 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/2355 07:02:50 03Kiëd Llaentenn02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/2355 * 0.28-a0-1494-g0f4b46b: fix: make Trog tantrum if orb of energy is used 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0f4b46b20ae1 07:12:36 How would per-orb flavorful text be? I'm thinking of something like Brogue where each "charm" item (essentially an evocable) had a unique description, like "Four copper rings have been joi 07:12:38 ned into a tetrahedron. The construct is oddly warm to the touch." 07:12:52 Or, "Various animals have been etche 07:12:54 d into the surface of this brass bangle. It emits a barely audible hum." 07:12:59 Whoops, keep pasting line-breaks, sorry 07:22:23 jjjjjj (L3 DEFE) ASSERT(!invalid_monster(&mons)) in 'mon-death.cc' at line 1712 failed. (D (Sprint)) 07:22:23 !crashlog jjjjjj sprint 07:22:23 2. jjjjjj, XL4 DEFE, T:287 (milestone): https://crawl.kelbi.org/crawl/morgue/jjjjjj/crash-jjjjjj-20220111-191851.txt 07:22:44 mmm, not this one 07:26:41 it's https://crawl.kelbi.org/crawl/morgue/jjjjjj/crash-jjjjjj-20220112-142119.txt 07:26:56 !crashlog jjjjjj sprint 07:26:56 3. jjjjjj, XL3 DEFE, T:183 (milestone): https://crawl.kelbi.org/crawl/morgue/jjjjjj/crash-jjjjjj-20220112-142119.txt 07:27:11 yeh, just takes a while for sprint milestones to land 07:30:44 In case it's not known, I get "Tile 'throatcutter' for part 'HAND1' not found in 'dc-player.txt'." during compiling 07:30:50 I assume that's just a missing tile 07:31:07 yeh 07:37:13 jjjjjj (L6 DEFE) ASSERT(!invalid_monster(&mons)) in 'mon-death.cc' at line 1712 failed. (D (Sprint)) 08:01:01 <06a​dvil> I think the file is there and defined properly, but in one place throatcutter is used instead of urand_throatcutter 08:09:26 <12e​bering> no its the tile doll tile 08:09:29 <12e​bering> not the inven tile 08:37:00 03ebering02 07* 0.28-a0-1494-g253b278: fix: throatcutter doll tile 10(50 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/253b27888704 08:43:26 03nlavsky02 {GitHub} 07* 0.28-a0-1495-g5f94461: feat: don't grant explore piety to Jiyva worshippers in the Slime Pits 10(6 minutes ago, 2 files, 3+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/5f9446187dec 08:43:26 03Kiëd Llaentenn02 {GitHub} 07* 0.28-a0-1496-g3c2d799: fix: make Trog tantrum if orb of energy is used 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3c2d7996e744 08:46:36 <12e​bering> @PleasingFungus have you looked at 08:46:40 <12e​bering> !pr 2319 08:46:41 <04C​erebot> https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/2319 08:48:45 <12e​bering> think it (or a variation thereon) might be a fun earlygame unrand of some kind 08:51:07 <10P​leasingFungus> i talked about it a lil bit 08:56:08 <10P​leasingFungus> i don't understand why we'd add a club that stabs like a short blade - that just seems to be confusing for no reason other than a pun 08:57:31 <10P​leasingFungus> on hit darkness is cute, but i suspect there's a much simpler version 08:57:31 <10P​leasingFungus> oh, on kill? regardless 08:57:31 <10P​leasingFungus> > Each such kill gives a ~25% reduction in line of sight, up to 75%. This reduction decays by ~3% per turn. 08:57:31 <10P​leasingFungus> to clarify: i get that stabbing synergizes with darkness, but nothing in there requires "club" other than the pun 08:57:35 Also IDK why the stabbing is punny 08:57:49 <10P​leasingFungus> it's the club of the night. the night club. the nightclub. 08:58:12 Right. That I get. I just don't see the stabbing makes it punnier. 08:58:16 <10P​leasingFungus> it doesn't 08:58:33 <10P​leasingFungus> the stabbing is part of the mechanical design, the synergies 08:58:37 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.28-a0-1496-g3c2d7996e7 (34) 08:58:42 <10P​leasingFungus> but then it's on a 'club' for the night club pun 08:58:58 <10P​leasingFungus> if it were a dagger, all the mechanics would work, but you wouldn't have the pun 08:59:01 right, I got the impression they were saying "merge it for the pun even if you change the mechanics" 08:59:11 <10P​leasingFungus> seems backwards to me 😛 08:59:15 <10P​leasingFungus> <- no fun allowed 08:59:55 maybe if it didn't stab, it'd help teach more folks that reduced LOS is quite good even for nonstabbers 09:02:15 <10P​leasingFungus> reasonable 🙂 09:04:09 <12e​bering> yeah 09:04:18 <12e​bering> or it could stun (miss u club stabbin) 09:04:38 <12e​bering> not sure even a +10 club is really worth using tho 09:04:44 <12e​bering> maybe early 09:05:25 isn't early the point? 09:05:42 <09g​ammafunk> early +10 club would definitely be worth for a decent while, I'd think 09:06:03 <09g​ammafunk> I should probably look at the PR before commenting though 09:06:14 ijyb's infamously gone to town with high-plus clubs :) 09:06:37 <09g​ammafunk> darkness on kill seems somewhat dubious 09:07:03 early> besides it ought really to be found in disco Pan 09:07:31 <09g​ammafunk> reduction decays by 3% per turn is pretty awkward 09:07:43 <09g​ammafunk> that's a slowish decay 09:10:15 <09g​ammafunk> when used for fighting groups where you might stack the enchant, it's not the most impactful thing, even considering that you have this early 09:10:15 <09g​ammafunk> since you can't make all that much out of reduced los 09:10:15 <09g​ammafunk> all monsters are awake; if you had spells it would be helpful though 09:10:15 <08n​icolae> all clubs should get stabs 09:10:29 <10P​leasingFungus> @ebering re slime piety, i agree that manually exploring slime is boring, but i wonder if automapping + giving piety for slime would be reasonable. do think it's good for J to get a boost out of the gates when you pick it as late as Lair/Slime 09:10:32 <09g​ammafunk> otoh you might get an additional stab on the next foe due to finishing off some prior one or even a pack, which is sort of good 09:11:15 <09g​ammafunk> doesn't seem the best design overall though, mostly trying to ride on a pun 09:11:28 <08n​icolae> listen, i don't think we should discourage puns 09:11:32 <08n​icolae> in fact we need more puns 09:11:37 <10P​leasingFungus> i think the main design goal of night club (beside the pun) was to enable very low LOS with kobold + scarf of night + robe of night 09:11:43 <12e​bering> possibly yeah, but there was a PR I could hit the merge button on to do it this way :d 09:11:47 <08n​icolae> imo there should be a hat that makes your LOS 1 09:11:48 <10P​leasingFungus> from the discussion that led up to monkooky making it 09:11:50 <10P​leasingFungus> @ebering boo 09:11:55 <10P​leasingFungus> 😛 09:11:56 <09g​ammafunk> well that's awful specific to one species, I guess 09:12:05 <10P​leasingFungus> oh, i'm not saying it's a good goal 09:12:08 <10P​leasingFungus> just saying that was the inspiration 09:12:22 <12e​bering> anyway just trying to get feedback onto new community contributor prs in a timelyish fashion 09:12:25 <09g​ammafunk> now what do you think about kobolds and xbow apts? +5 or +10? 09:12:42 <10P​leasingFungus> ebering: yeah i really appreciate that, you've been doing great work (but now & in th epast 09:12:54 <10P​leasingFungus> i do feel bad i don't respond to many prs often 09:13:19 <09g​ammafunk> prs are the sounds felid make, and I don't want to encourage felids 09:13:31 <10P​leasingFungus> anyway someday i'll bump ko xbow apt 09:13:33 only ebering doing the domestic chores around here :( 09:13:37 <10P​leasingFungus> whenever people aren't looking 09:13:43 <09g​ammafunk> !apt ko 09:13:44 <04C​erebot> Ko: Fighting: 1, Short: 3, Long: -2*, Axes: -2*, Maces: -1, Polearms: -2, Staves: -1, Slings: 0, Bows: 0, Xbows: 2, Throw: 1, Armour: -2, Dodge: 2, Stealth: 4, Shields: -2, UC: 0, Splcast: 0, Conj: 0, Hexes: 0, Charms: N/A, Summ: 0, Nec: 0, Tloc: 0, Tmut: 0, Fire: 0, Ice: 0, Air: 0, Earth: 0, Poison: 0, Inv: 1, Evo: 2, Exp: 1!, HP: -2, MP: 0 09:14:10 <10P​leasingFungus> +3 is the number in my todo 09:14:11 <09g​ammafunk> I bet elliptic approves of more than +2 xbow apt on ko 09:14:19 <10P​leasingFungus> ? 09:14:23 <09g​ammafunk> he approves of mf having +5 on polearms 09:14:26 <10P​leasingFungus> ha 09:14:32 <08n​icolae> i thought you were going to get rid of launchers anyway, pf 09:14:49 <09g​ammafunk> there's always a chance! 09:15:04 <12e​bering> oh I gotta write up my ranged thoughts that I've been promising and have two drafts of 09:16:40 <10P​leasingFungus> nicolae: someday 09:16:40 <12e​bering> maybe I'll do that instead of splatting muwns and ruining my win rate 09:16:40 <10P​leasingFungus> that's the reason i haven't done things like boost ko xbow apt, remove launcher ammo,e tc etc 09:16:40 <09g​ammafunk> yeah, I never did write up mine, because I hit a bit of a block on nailing down details, and I never had an answer to PF's "having to use targeter too much" issue 09:16:40 <10P​leasingFungus> no point shifting deck chairs on the titanic 09:16:40 <09g​ammafunk> the game I was drawing inspiration from is a game where you're basically ok using a targeter a lot, since there's kind of less combat overall 09:16:55 <09g​ammafunk> kind of hard to move launchers away from targeters without them feeling like spells, although arguably there's a middle ground there 09:17:06 <08n​icolae> sure there is, make them spell out "FUCKIN ICEBERGS" so future shipwreck explorers will know what happened 09:17:29 <08n​icolae> launchers attack all creatures in LOS with LOF. simple. 09:17:37 <09g​ammafunk> people will just think "....why did that person have a fetish regarding icebergs?" 09:18:00 <08n​icolae> the titanic itself had an iceberg fetish, with tragic results 09:18:23 <09g​ammafunk> if we add ships to crawl, we can add deep water icebergs, something to think about 09:28:15 03ebering02 07* 0.28-a0-1497-gab9d7fe: feat: reduce poison dart quantity 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ab9d7fee8866 09:32:33 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.28-a0-1497-gab9d7fee88 (34) 09:33:26 <09h​ellmonk> @ebering have u considered winning muwn 09:33:35 <09h​ellmonk> Instead of splat 09:33:52 <12e​bering> @hellmonk I have but then I have also considered getting greedy in gauntlets and dyin to death scarabs I knew I shouldn't have fought 09:34:03 <09h​ellmonk> dang 09:35:54 <09g​ammafunk> .gfkill devteamnp s=name current 09:35:54 <04C​erebot> Kills by gammafunk maps/monsters for devteamnp (s=name current): 6x nicolae, 4x sage, 4x semitonal, 2x wheals, docpaisley 09:35:54 <09g​ammafunk> looks like I finally got basil! 09:35:54 <09g​ammafunk> a whale has been bagged 09:35:54 <09g​ammafunk> !nick ebering 09:35:54 <04C​erebot> Mapping ebering => (!explbr) ebering 09:36:00 <09g​ammafunk> hrm, no ebering 09:36:52 <09h​ellmonk> did we set a date for feature freeze yet 09:37:05 <09g​ammafunk> %git 0.27.0 09:37:06 <04C​erebot> gammafunk * 0.27.0: doc: Final changelog updates for 0.27.0 (6 months ago, 2 files, 7+ 2-) https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a0080399dad6 09:37:07 <12e​bering> "soon" 09:37:11 <09g​ammafunk> we are at the threshold 09:37:23 <09h​ellmonk> ok 09:37:24 <09g​ammafunk> on my end, as far as running t, I don't have any real schedule limitations 09:37:37 <12e​bering> Jan 16 might be too soon; I've definitely landed all the features I'll be able to for this version 09:37:58 <09h​ellmonk> Need to make sure and do my final spider mons adjusts, merge vaults, and unforce spider by then 09:38:08 <09h​ellmonk> Might work on it tonight 09:38:18 <09g​ammafunk> yeah I feel we want to allow at least one full week from time date is set 09:38:38 <09g​ammafunk> all I have are some vault changes that I'll hopefully land soon 09:39:06 <12e​bering> also feature freeze and t can be spaced a lil bit 09:39:07 <09g​ammafunk> I'm not sure if we need any big t changes, although my dev time is fairly limited recently, I could certainly help 09:39:14 I think kate really wanted to try to cut a level from lair before it? 09:39:19 <12e​bering> it would be nice to give people some lead time on the announcement 09:39:28 <09g​ammafunk> that's fine, I'm mostly talking about freeze 09:39:57 <09g​ammafunk> four days from now too soon imo, but we can certainly make sure we do freeze decently before end of this month 09:40:34 <09g​ammafunk> if anyone here has any issues with t in...I'm guessing early february, please let us all know 09:42:16 <09h​ellmonk> Too busy having hot dates in Feb sorry 09:42:16 <09g​ammafunk> tentative freeze date could be either 19th (one week) or 21st (to make sync with tournament start time best) 09:42:16 <09g​ammafunk> with tournament/release on feb 4th 09:43:07 <09g​ammafunk> have fun, ignis worshiper, but come end of February your flames of romance will die! 09:45:41 <09h​ellmonk> God swapping to qazlal in march 09:55:01 -!- craigevil is now known as Guest3275 09:55:01 -!- craigevi1 is now known as craigevil 09:55:37 good nerf re: poison darts 09:55:57 I've started using them in my last few games this week and they stack up like no-one's business 09:56:37 perryprog discovered throwables this week, eh? :^) 09:56:47 ... maybe 10:26:32 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.28-a0-1497-gab9d7fe (34) 10:34:54 I may not be super available after Jan 21 (start of semester) but there's not much to be done about that, so either of those dates sounds fine to me 10:35:07 I do have some more UI stuff to do before freeze hopefully 10:41:17 <12e​bering> freeze on the 19th target T for Feb 4 sounds good to me 10:41:48 <12e​bering> in general prefer target releasing a couple of days before Feb 4 so all servers can get settled 10:41:53 <12e​bering> maybe Feb 1 10:52:23 <08n​icolae> make it feb 2 because that's groundhog day. "what do groundhogs, groundhog day, or the 1993 film groundhog day have to do with DCSS or feature freezes" shut up 10:53:22 obviously put in a groundhog unique for then to t 10:54:00 <10P​leasingFungus> i've seen groundhog day / roguelike comparisons before 10:54:07 <10P​leasingFungus> you have to start over and over again in both, after all 🙂 11:04:29 ooh, true 11:04:41 and you get a bit better atttttt things each loop. but also sometimes you throw a whole loop into a firepit 11:47:37 -!- The topic of #crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | https://github.com/crawl/crawl | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/, temporarily http://crawl.akrasiac.org/logs/cheibriados/ | People with +v have commit access, devs on bridged discord as well | General Crawl-related chat to #crawl | Long stuff to a pastebin service, please 11:47:37 -!- The topic of #crawl is: Play Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup online now! Type ??online for instructions, ??lg / !lg for play stats | PM Sequell for long queries | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV game replays: ??footv for instructions | #crawl-dev for dev discussion, #crawl-offtopic for offtopic 11:48:07 03advil02 07* 0.28-a0-1498-g61e5acc: doc: further clarify some console color logic 10(39 minutes ago, 2 files, 39+ 28-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/61e5acc4d95a 11:48:07 03advil02 07* 0.28-a0-1499-gf88bddc: fix: fix hover colors on 8 color consoles and standardize 10(9 minutes ago, 9 files, 31+ 11-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f88bddc06d39 11:49:20 <09g​ammafunk> perhaps especially appropriate given the main language Sequell is implemented in 😱 11:53:35 <10P​leasingFungus> gammafunk: you would bring me tremendous joy if ldb editing from discord became real 🙂 11:53:59 <10P​leasingFungus> i would do a little dance. 11:57:10 sort of amused that the console color code tries to support monochrome consoles 11:57:42 I guess there could be some kind of accessibility benefit 11:58:12 <10P​leasingFungus> monochrome consoles...! 12:02:44 wonder if we should have a high contrast mode 12:07:20 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.28-a0-1500-g21c98226: Halve Anguish damage (ebering) 10(3 minutes ago, 2 files, 3+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/21c982267cd1 12:08:35 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.28-a0-1499-gf88bddc06d (34) 12:19:20 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.28-a0-1500-g21c982267c (34) 12:21:47 -!- sedi_ is now known as sedi 12:32:50 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.28-a0-1504-g839a4452db (34) 12:33:03 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.28-a0-1501-g99b0849: Revert "REVERTME: Make infusion gloves very common" 10(9 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/99b08493b794 12:33:03 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.28-a0-1502-g98be2d0: Revert "force Spider generation for testing" 10(9 minutes ago, 3 files, 35+ 40-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/98be2d08f047 12:33:03 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.28-a0-1503-g9e29e62: Revert "REVERTME: increase orb rate for testing" 10(8 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/9e29e6267928 12:33:03 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.28-a0-1504-g839a445: Turn Spider noise back down (ardl) 10(8 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/839a4452db94 14:03:37 New branch created: pull/2356 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/2356 14:03:38 03Kiëd Llaentenn02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/2356 * 0.28-a0-1505-gb2a7002: feat: add flavorful descriptions for each orb ego 10(4 minutes ago, 2 files, 40+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b2a7002346cc 15:55:37 -!- MakMorn_ is now known as MakMorn 16:19:46 Hi everyone, I'm updating the wiki and trying to keep accurate versioning history - on a commit such as this 16:19:46 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/58e633fd07441eed22060f1819acd2467498157f 16:19:46 Was the game version at the time the bolded number or unbolded number? 16:22:40 <10P​leasingFungus> unbolded 16:22:41 Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.28-a0-1504-g839a4452db (34) 16:23:00 <10P​leasingFungus> if you have a local copy of the repo, you can run git describe 58e633fd07441eed22060f1819acd2467498157f to see 16:23:07 <10P​leasingFungus> the date shown is also a clue 16:23:52 <10P​leasingFungus> the versions you noticed are a full list of all tagged releases that contain the commit, from newest to oldest 16:23:53 <10P​leasingFungus> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/747522859361894521/930965334435971092/unknown.png 16:24:05 I figured it was unbolded too. Oh, I see, thank you 16:53:38 Can anyone point me to code where spray-type spells are reduced multiple times by ac? 17:14:56 <12e​bering> search for ac_rule::triple 17:16:34 03advil02 07* 0.28-a0-1505-g8c907de: fix: memorise menu ui tweaks 10(2 hours ago, 4 files, 56+ 27-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8c907de6ad23 17:24:55 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.28-a0-1505-g8c907de6ad (34) 23:17:06 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.28-a0-1506-g3893175: Add Summon Hell Sentinel description (Nomi) 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3893175d9243 23:18:16 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.28-a0-1506-g3893175d92 (34)